News: European Union wants car makers to reduce noise levels
#16
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But my worry is that the EU government is basically targeting ALL KINDS of vehicles..........which means sports cars and high-performance vehicles will be no exception to this "WITCH HUNT".
This simply means that the likes of Ferrari, BMW M, Audi quattro GMBH, Porsche, Jaguar, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Lamborghini, etc............would have to drastically reduce the exhaust sound volume that comes out of the vehicles that the make.
Simply idiotic and beyond retarded
#18
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But my worry is that the EU government is basically targeting ALL KINDS of vehicles..........which means sports cars and high-performance vehicles will be no exception to this "WITCH HUNT".
This simply means that the likes of Ferrari, BMW M, Audi quattro GMBH, Porsche, Jaguar, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Lamborghini, etc............would have to drastically reduce the exhaust sound volume that comes out of the vehicles that the make.
Simply idiotic and beyond retarded
But my worry is that the EU government is basically targeting ALL KINDS of vehicles..........which means sports cars and high-performance vehicles will be no exception to this "WITCH HUNT".
This simply means that the likes of Ferrari, BMW M, Audi quattro GMBH, Porsche, Jaguar, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Lamborghini, etc............would have to drastically reduce the exhaust sound volume that comes out of the vehicles that the make.
Simply idiotic and beyond retarded
#19
You have to question why any government body would want quieter vehicles. A major cause of stress and poor quality of life in the urban environment is traffic pollution and noise. We tackle pollution through emission regulations and traffic noise through traffic calming measures, sound reduction barriers and new road surface materials. Tyre technology can also help reduce vehicle noise, as can legislation aimed at reducing exhaust noise and noisy diesel engines, particularly at idle.
I've got no love for the EU but I'm always loathe to indulge in hysterical knee-jerk reactions when some publication writes half a story without considering the issue as a whole.
I've got no love for the EU but I'm always loathe to indulge in hysterical knee-jerk reactions when some publication writes half a story without considering the issue as a whole.
#20
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Thread Starter
Agreed
Those are the kind of backward politicians who want to send humanity back into the stone age.
If you don't like the 'noise', either buy earmuffs, get used to it........or have your ears chopped off so you will be deaf for life
Those are the kind of backward politicians who want to send humanity back into the stone age.
If you don't like the 'noise', either buy earmuffs, get used to it........or have your ears chopped off so you will be deaf for life
#21
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Chopping ears off is what they did back in the dark ages.
#22
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Thread Starter
You have to question why any government body would want quieter vehicles. A major cause of stress and poor quality of life in the urban environment is traffic pollution and noise. We tackle pollution through emission regulations and traffic noise through traffic calming measures, sound reduction barriers and new road surface materials. Tyre technology can also help reduce vehicle noise, as can legislation aimed at reducing exhaust noise and noisy diesel engines, particularly at idle.
I've got no love for the EU but I'm always loathe to indulge in hysterical knee-jerk reactions when some publication writes half a story without considering the issue as a whole.
I've got no love for the EU but I'm always loathe to indulge in hysterical knee-jerk reactions when some publication writes half a story without considering the issue as a whole.
Still, let me kindly ask you this: Would you be willing to continue to own and operate an automobile........even if TFL (Transport for London) would seek to further increase the Vehicle Excise Duty rates every single year? What if the London Congestion Charge would add an additional CO2 emissions charging scheme?
Personally, I wouldn't mind that much. I'm cool with stuff like biking, taking trains or walking.
However, what about you? Would you be fine with that? What about the rest of the people in the European Union? Would they agree or disagree to it? Did those select few politicians from Brussels even consult with the automakers and the general public regarding this?
Or does that mean that they can make whatever law they want and the general public would be forced to accept it?
#23
I agree that government-dictates aren't the best way to do it, but, as far as I'm concerned, the quieter a car is, the better. I didn't choose a Buick Verano as my own daily-driver for nothing.....its library-quiet cabin was one of the main reasons. And our own forum here, Club Lexus, is named after an auto-nameplate that got its start (and much of its success) by also building silent-running cars.
#25
Still, let me kindly ask you this: Would you be willing to continue to own and operate an automobile........even if TFL (Transport for London) would seek to further increase the Vehicle Excise Duty rates every single year? What if the London Congestion Charge would add an additional CO2 emissions charging scheme?
Personally, I wouldn't mind that much. I'm cool with stuff like biking, taking trains or walking.
However, what about you? Would you be fine with that? What about the rest of the people in the European Union? Would they agree or disagree to it? Did those select few politicians from Brussels even consult with the automakers and the general public regarding this?
Or does that mean that they can make whatever law they want and the general public would be forced to accept it?
Transport for London sets the Congestion Charge - it's actually an emissions charge and is also CO2 based. If you want to drive in and out of London each day (although why anyone would want to is beyond me) there are many cars that are exempt from the charge due to their low CO2 output.
Obviously the EU negotiate with car manufacturers so that the same rules apply across the single market, that's the whole point. They also want people to buy and drive cars - the car industry is a major employer and exporter.
The original OP didn't mention public transport but I'm glad you did as taxi, buses and trucks are some the noisiest vehicles so regulation is good thing there - and you also failed to address the central point of my post, that is urban noise pollution, - perhaps you'd like to outline how you would tackle that problem?
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#27
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The original OP didn't mention public transport but I'm glad you did as taxi, buses and trucks are some the noisiest vehicles so regulation is good thing there - and you also failed to address the central point of my post, that is urban noise pollution, - perhaps you'd like to outline how you would tackle that problem?
#28
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pretty much sums up to the government wanting more revenue and will blanket the desire for more money with the false guise of providing less noise pollution even with no real complaints. They figure that they can add one more tax to the insane taxes drivers in that part of the world already pay and since most people's cars are not "noisy" most will not give a damn that the few with the higher powered cars will need to pay more. This has nothing to do with helping people. Its 100% revenue generating BS
#29
pretty much sums up to the government wanting more revenue and will blanket the desire for more money with the false guise of providing less noise pollution even with no real complaints. They figure that they can add one more tax to the insane taxes drivers in that part of the world already pay and since most people's cars are not "noisy" most will not give a damn that the few with the higher powered cars will need to pay more. This has nothing to do with helping people. Its 100% revenue generating BS
Anyone agrees with my proposition? This will definitely tilt the favor from diesels to hybrids too in Europe.
Last edited by ydooby; 12-27-12 at 02:01 PM.
#30
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Well, if I were to properly implement this new regulation, I would do it just like the CO2 emission-based taxation currently used in the UK. Instead of banning highly noise-polluting vehicles altogether, and instead of being viewed to be trying to generate additional tax revenue, I would simply redistribute the current tax revenue according to calculations based on not just CO2 emissions, but also noise-pollution ratings. This way, quieter cars get taxed less than they currently do, while rich people wanting to roll in fancy sports cars can still do by paying higher tax premiums, and the government will not get any more overall tax revenue as a result.
Anyone agrees with my proposition? This will definitely tilt the favor from diesels to hybrids too in Europe.
Anyone agrees with my proposition? This will definitely tilt the favor from diesels to hybrids too in Europe.