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IS 250 never had a problem as it sold well. The only problem are people *****ing about it on the internet about a problem for them that is not a problem for people that purchased the vehicle Consumers had no issue with it. This is not to say that it could not be improved at this point.
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IS 250 never had a problem as it sold well. The only problem are people *****ing about it on the internet about a problem for them that is not a problem for people that purchased the vehicle Consumers had no issue with it. This is not to say that it could not be improved at this point.
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IS 250 never had a problem as it sold well. The only problem are people *****ing about it on the internet about a problem for them that is not a problem for people that purchased the vehicle Consumers had no issue with it. This is not to say that it could not be improved at this point.
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IS 250 never had a problem as it sold well. The only problem are people *****ing about it on the internet about a problem for them that is not a problem for people that purchased the vehicle Consumers had no issue with it. This is not to say that it could not be improved at this point.
The IS250 got punked all the way back in 2006 when the E90 BMW came out and the 325i was actually a 3.0L, rated at the same 215hp (under-rated obviously), and performed way better. I was surprised that Lexus never remedied that by upping the base model to a 3.0L, but like you said they sell very well and there's plenty of them on the road everywhere, so obviously base model performance just isn't a big concern for Lexus owners.
I can appreciate the smoothness and refinement of a 6-cylinder vs a big 4 of course, but the "problem" nowadays is that the 6-cylinder is no longer even keeping up with everybody else's turbo-4's, unless of course you limit the comparison to Acuras where I'm sure the 2.5L V6 is still crushing the Acura 2.4/2.0L. I think the Lexus brand deserves better is all I'm saying. Personally I think the automotive product planners out there are concerned about making the base powerplants "too good", and thus having a lot more trouble up-selling to the higher end models. I think this is why BMW de-tuned their NA I-6 engines after their turbo I-6 came out, and why Infiniti came out with the G25 instead of a G30. As far as the F30 BMW's, I've not seen one single F30 335i on the road so far, they've ALL been 328's. Used to see a heavier mix of 335's when the 328 was the de-tuned NA I-6. Makes you wonder...
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How this car can be significantly faster than the equally "weak" IS250 is kind of interesting. I'm too lazy to look up weight differences, but maybe it's in that.
I agree, most people are non-enthusiasts and 0-60 in 7.1 seconds is plenty fast. This new BMW re-iterates the mass-market appeal of the IS250.
I agree, most people are non-enthusiasts and 0-60 in 7.1 seconds is plenty fast. This new BMW re-iterates the mass-market appeal of the IS250.
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How this car can be significantly faster than the equally "weak" IS250 is kind of interesting. I'm too lazy to look up weight differences, but maybe it's in that.
I agree, most people are non-enthusiasts and 0-60 in 7.1 seconds is plenty fast. This new BMW re-iterates the mass-market appeal of the IS250.
I agree, most people are non-enthusiasts and 0-60 in 7.1 seconds is plenty fast. This new BMW re-iterates the mass-market appeal of the IS250.
3435 lbs RWD.
From Edmunds...
Lexus estimates the 0-60-mph time for the rear-wheel-drive IS 250 at 7.9 seconds (the AWD version is estimated at 8.3 seconds). That's somewhat tepid for this segment, as the base versions of the Audi A4 and BMW 3 Series are quicker by nearly 2 full seconds
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Well.... that's what I was gonna say pretty much.
The IS250 got punked all the way back in 2006 when the E90 BMW came out and the 325i was actually a 3.0L, rated at the same 215hp (under-rated obviously), and performed way better. I was surprised that Lexus never remedied that by upping the base model to a 3.0L, but like you said they sell very well and there's plenty of them on the road everywhere, so obviously base model performance just isn't a big concern for Lexus owners.
I can appreciate the smoothness and refinement of a 6-cylinder vs a big 4 of course, but the "problem" nowadays is that the 6-cylinder is no longer even keeping up with everybody else's turbo-4's, unless of course you limit the comparison to Acuras where I'm sure the 2.5L V6 is still crushing the Acura 2.4/2.0L. I think the Lexus brand deserves better is all I'm saying. Personally I think the automotive product planners out there are concerned about making the base powerplants "too good", and thus having a lot more trouble up-selling to the higher end models. I think this is why BMW de-tuned their NA I-6 engines after their turbo I-6 came out, and why Infiniti came out with the G25 instead of a G30. As far as the F30 BMW's, I've not seen one single F30 335i on the road so far, they've ALL been 328's. Used to see a heavier mix of 335's when the 328 was the de-tuned NA I-6. Makes you wonder...
The IS250 got punked all the way back in 2006 when the E90 BMW came out and the 325i was actually a 3.0L, rated at the same 215hp (under-rated obviously), and performed way better. I was surprised that Lexus never remedied that by upping the base model to a 3.0L, but like you said they sell very well and there's plenty of them on the road everywhere, so obviously base model performance just isn't a big concern for Lexus owners.
I can appreciate the smoothness and refinement of a 6-cylinder vs a big 4 of course, but the "problem" nowadays is that the 6-cylinder is no longer even keeping up with everybody else's turbo-4's, unless of course you limit the comparison to Acuras where I'm sure the 2.5L V6 is still crushing the Acura 2.4/2.0L. I think the Lexus brand deserves better is all I'm saying. Personally I think the automotive product planners out there are concerned about making the base powerplants "too good", and thus having a lot more trouble up-selling to the higher end models. I think this is why BMW de-tuned their NA I-6 engines after their turbo I-6 came out, and why Infiniti came out with the G25 instead of a G30. As far as the F30 BMW's, I've not seen one single F30 335i on the road so far, they've ALL been 328's. Used to see a heavier mix of 335's when the 328 was the de-tuned NA I-6. Makes you wonder...
For the record, I too owned an IS250. I didn't biatch about it being slow, but I new it was outclassed in 2012 when I sold it.
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Once again, the problem of the IS250 is never its power rating or 0-60 figure on paper, it's its sluggish feel when driven in normal traffic. Very few people actually drive around with revs kept above 6000rpm all the time, which is what's needed to achieve the car's paper specs. Lexus needs to solve the IS250's power delivery down low, which according to at least one review (of the prototype), seems to have improved..
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No its not. The ILX is a complete POS based on a Civic. The 111hp ILX hybrid is 34k. This is a 3 series, still a proper RWD luxury car.
BMW deserves its brand name, they have earned the right selling amazing cars for decades. I've actually driven this car overseas, it drives well and you still get 3 series attributes.
The 1 series is far smaller.
BMW deserves its brand name, they have earned the right selling amazing cars for decades. I've actually driven this car overseas, it drives well and you still get 3 series attributes.
The 1 series is far smaller.
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