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Old 01-17-13, 05:21 AM
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The Toyota Camry’s V6 option isn’t going anywhere, Toyota Vice President Bob Carter said at the Detroit Auto Show.

While the Hyundai Sonata, Kia Optima, Ford Fusion and upcoming Mazda6 have all ditched V6 engines for direct-injected or turbocharged four-cylinders, it seems that Toyota will not follow in its competition’s footsteps.

Carter explained that the V6 has a 22 percent take rate, and is very popular in higher altitude areas. Carter says that buyers like the extra oomph of a higher displacement engine.

Overall sales numbers of the Camry are strong and it led the mid-sized sedan segment for all of 2012, beating out the Honda Accord, Ford Fusion and Hyundai Sonata.

However, other automakers have combined smaller displacement engines with turbocharging and direct-injection technology to improve fuel efficiency.

“We certainly could use direct injection technology in our engines,” Carter said, indicating that direct injection could finally be seen in more Toyota vehicles, improving fuel economy. Overall, Carter said that Toyota is sticking to the three powerplant strategy currently in place, which allows customers to choose from a four-cylinder engine, a six-cylinder engine and a hybrid gas-electric powertrain.
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Never knew it was suppose to go away. 22% is a pretty big amount though!
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That is a SMART decision from the boss. With DI the V6 in Camry can get 5-10 extra HP and 1-2 mpg.
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more like 25-30 like in Lexus.
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The differences between the 2GR-FE and FSE are more than just DI to get 25-30hp.
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Lexus engineers said that they got uniform 8% gain from DI on 2GR.... so thats 25hp there....
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I have the SAE white paper on the 2GR-FSE engine and know for a fact that there are many other changes than just DI to the FSE version because they said right in the paper, comparing it to the FE version.
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They should.
It's a great engine.
Some power and MPGs.
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Part of it is the high mix that Camry has, and part of it is also the vehicles that share Camry's platform all utilize V6 pretty heavily (Highlander, Sienna, etc) and so they can't engineer the Camry for 4 cylinder only, which might present some potential weight savings opportunities.

In any case, a V6 is usually a smoother motor than a turbo 4 is.
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Carter explained that the V6 has a 22 percent take rate, and is very popular in higher altitude areas. Carter says that buyers like the extra oomph of a higher displacement engine.
I can understand that to some extent, but, traditionally, turbos have been the key to higher-altitude areas, mainly because they compress the thin air, add more fuel, and compensate for the gradual loss of power that you usually get with normally-aspirated engines. Of course, a larger-displacement N/A six will breathe in more air volume simply by the larger displacement and greater number of cylinders, but the lack of a turbo does nothing for the thinning out of that air.

You also see that in General Aviation to some extent (I was a GA pilot myself years ago). With piston-engined planes, turbocharged versions are generally more popular out West, at the higher-altitude airports, where the air is thinner and engines, propellers, and wings don't operate at sea-level efficiency....that is especially important at short-runway airports.

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Also the Camry V-6 actually performs like a 270hp car...a lot of the competiton with these high hp turbo-4s advertise high hp but perform like 200hp cars.
 
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i like that 3 powerplant strategy.. glad they kept it
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Originally Posted by Blueprint
Also the Camry V-6 actually performs like a 270hp car...a lot of the competiton with these high hp turbo-4s advertise high hp but perform like 200hp cars.
Good for them. To date on of my favorite Comparison head to heads has been the Camry vs Sonata vs Passat. V6 vs Turbo 4 vs V6, Hybrid vs Hybrid vs Diesel, 4 vs 4 vs 5.

Camry V6 ran around the Sonata Turbo which got dead last in all three comparisons, even wiped the Passat, but of course the Journalist let the Passat win because of the only category it won... handling
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Camry V6 ran around the Sonata Turbo which got dead last in all three comparisons, even wiped the Passat, but of course the Journalist let the Passat win because of the only category it won... handling
That's not always the case, but you're right........too many times, the quickest time through the slalom or the highest skid-pad number greatly biases the outcome.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Camry V6 ran around the Sonata Turbo which got dead last in all three comparisons, even wiped the Passat, but of course the Journalist let the Passat win because of the only category it won... handling
Many people have doubts about the Sonata/Optima HP claims. There are heavier cars out their with lower output turbo 4s that are faster (A4, ATS 2.0, 328i)
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Originally Posted by spwolf
Lexus engineers said that they got uniform 8% gain from DI on 2GR.... so thats 25hp there....
Look at all the DI engine from all manufacturers, they all gained 8%~10%. It is universal.
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