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Old 01-29-13, 03:34 PM
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Back then, I wanted the Lexus reliability with bmw's handling.

Now that lexus has the reliability AND the handling as shown with the '13 GS, there's nothing from bmw that I want , (maybe except for that new M4).
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If you cant win them, join them...... can't wait to see what develops from this partnership
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Next, the discussion moves to the new BMW and Toyota partnership to build a midsize sports vehicle. MacKenzie says the new car may not be a new Toyota Supra or an entry-level sports coupe as previously suggested, instead speculating that the automakers will co-develop a flexible architecture to underpin a new Lexus sports coupe to help the brand become more of a global luxury player, plus either a new BMW Z4 or 2 Series.
http://wot.motortrend.com/will-the-2...#axzz2MJMnxmT1

I can't find the link, but I did read that a BMW spokeman said the new Toyota/BMW sports car will be friendly to the environment.

So I'm thinking it could end up being a hybrid sports car. Also it could have been previewed by the Toyota GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept II (at least when it comes to drivetrain).


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that GRMN is just MR2 body kit :-)
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Originally Posted by spwolf
that GRMN is just MR2 body kit :-)
But more importantly than the body kit, it has an enhanced and reversed version of the RX450h (that proved to be way too heavy for a sports car).
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Originally Posted by spwolf
that GRMN is just MR2 body kit :-)
I was just refering to the drivetrain.
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let's see,

Toyota chasis + BMW's legendary I6 with direct injection + BMW suspension + Toyota electrical components (for reliability) = 2015 Toyota Supra
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Originally Posted by ydooby
But more importantly than the body kit, it has an enhanced and reversed version of the RX450h (that proved to be way too heavy for a sports car).
400h? from some concept from 2008?

it was just an concept car that people gave too much attention to.
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Toyota needs help in the handling department and BMW needs help in making things work for a long time without breaking down. Its a marriage made in heaven.
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Default Lexus Planning to Build Small Two-Seat Roadster?


Toyota 86 with Lexus logo

According to Motor Trend, Lexus may be building a small two-seat roadster as a result of the recent BMW/Toyota partnership — here’s a quote from the latest issue of the magazine:


Sources in Japan say Toyota’s version (of the joint BMW/Toyota sports car) will actually underpin an all-new Lexus sports car, a suggestion that makes all the sense in the world given Akio Toyoda’s ambition to make Lexus a genuine global rival to the German lux-meisters. Whisper is the new Lexus will be positioned to compete with the Mercedes SLK, BMW Z4, and entry-level Porsche Boxster.

If I understand this correctly, this would be an additional vehicle beyond the rumored RC mid-size coupe — if true, this could be a major shift in the way Lexus approaches mass production vehicles, as niche market models have never been a priority with the brand.

The strategy reminds me of this Akio Toyoda quote from Automotive News:


“When we have a design screening, my role is to simply talk with the right side of the brain,” Toyoda said. “There are already enough people at Toyota who use the left side of the brain. You need to be able to say, ‘Wow! I want that!’”

(Joaquin over at Kaizen Factor has an astute analysis of the news — highly recommended reading.)
http://lexusenthusiast.com/2013/05/1...seat-roadster/

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^^^

It's what Lexus needs...
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Default The small Lexus roadster. Is it happening after all?



Never mind the upcoming Lexus NX small crossover, the IS-derived RC 2+2 sports coupe or even the rumored production version of the LF-LC concept expected to carry a 6-figure price tag. Forget any notions of a 3-row crossover SUV or a GS-derived 4-door coupe or even a CT F non-hybrid, AWD manual transmission hot hatch. If yours truly were only granted a single wish for a niche expansion of the Lexus lineup, it would be for a small 2-seat roadster (a fixed roof coupe would be OK as well) to take on the Audi TT, BMW Z4, Mercedes-Benz SLK, Porsche Boxster/Cayman and the new Jaguar F-Type, and suggested as much back in July 2006 and, again, in July 2008. And when in June 2012 BMW and Toyota announced an expansion of their alliance to include the joint development of a sports vehicle,


Yours truly’s first thoughts were that the long sought-after small Lexus roadster would finally see the light of day not as a Scion FR-S/Toyota GT86 derivative, but as a rebodied and re-engined next-gen BMW Z4 (a notion seconded by Glenn Brooks of just-auto)… Jack Rix of Auto Express envisioned a (rebodied, we hope) production version of Toyota’s MR2 Spider-derived, fugly and catfish-like GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept II twinned with a BMW-badged version that would sit in the ‘i’ range somewhere between the i3 and i8…

Even Georg Kacher, in his “future of BMW’s Project i” piece – written a month before the BMW/Toyota joint sports car announcement – unwittingly touches upon yet another possibility with this passage:

“What the BMW community would love instead is an affordable Z2 – think of it as BMW’s answer to the Toyota GT 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ triplets. This car could pick up what was lost when then Z3 became the Z4, but unfortunately the new compact roadster keeps being rejected by the board, primarily for pricing and positioning reasons. Even though it is now almost too late to sign off on a Z2 based on the purist rear-wheel drive 2 Series components set, the time will probably never be ripe for a front-wheel drive Z2 twinned with the next Mini Cooper S Roadster”.

What about making the BMW Z2 a reality by coupling it with a Lexus version that would compete with long-rumored production Volkswagen and Audi versions of the Concept BlueSport roadster? Sounds good awesome to us!

Alas, over time, Lexus USA officials emphatically shot down the notion of a small sports car, citing the segment’s overall dwindling sales numbers. Too small of a niche to bother with, in other words. Thus, it was a “Yessss!!! Hosanna! Hallelujah! Triumphant fist-pump, jump-up-and-down moment” when Mike Connor, in the MT Confidential column of Motor Trend‘s May 2013 print edition, wrote that


Sources in Japan say Toyota’s version (of the joint BMW/Toyota sports car) will actually underpin an all-new Lexus sports car, a suggestion that makes all the sense in the world given Akio Toyoda’s ambition to make Lexus a genuine global rival to the German lux-meisters. Whisper is the new Lexus will be positioned to compete with the Mercedes SLK, BMW Z4, and entry-level Porsche Boxster.

But wouldn’t BMW be shooting itself in the foot by aiding and abetting a competitor in creating a rival to its own Z4? Perhaps not, given that, nowadays, rival carmakers collaborate on all sorts of niche segment models from tiny Euro-centric A-segment city cars to European “large MPVs” (those approaching U.S. “minivan” size) to all manner of cargo vans. Affordable sports cars are no exception. Think not only the Subaru/Toyota collaboration that begat the BRZ/GT 86/FR-S triplets, but the fact that Mazda’s upcoming 4th-gen (ND) MX-5 Miata will be paired with an Alfa Romeo-badged variant. Motor Trend‘s Connor also echoes the issues raised by German journalist Georg Kacher 4 paragraphs above:


And why does BMW need a new sports car platform? It already has the Z4. True, but the Z4 shares a lot of hardware with the 3 Series, which is fast getting too big to be sliced and diced into a credible two-seat roadster. Sharing with Toyota allows BMW to economically decouple the Z4 platform from the 3 Series, and keep it sports car size. There’s another potential benefit: The new platform could also underpin a new 2 Series coupe as the next-gen 1 Series goes front drive. It would keep the 2 Series rear drive – vital to BMW’s sporty credentials – but, more important, also liberate it from using modified 3 Series hardware, which is getting too big, too heavy and – crucially – too expensive.

This plan, if true, would bring with it one bit of collateral damage: the death of any hopes for a revival of the Toyota Supra. As MT‘s Connor notes:


So why no Supra? It just doesn’t make sense…There’s a strong faction within Toyota that still regards cars like the Supra as a waste of time, given the boom-and-bust sales performance of previous editions… The other problem is where the Supra would fit into the Toyota lineup, particularly in the U.S., where the GT86 is sold as a Scion and a $45,000 Toyota sports car would be a headache for dealers…

Sounds like a lame excuse to us, given that Chevrolet dealers sell Corvettes that start at a bit over that and can balloon to more than twice those sticker price numbers, at which Nissan dealers will also happily sell you a GT-R. Yet, if the BMW-Toyota collaboration is to yield but a single Japanese sports car, it probably makes more sense (and profits) to badge it as a Lexus and not as a Toyota.
http://kaizenfactor.wordpress.com/20...ing-after-all/
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Originally Posted by Vh_Supra26
http://wot.motortrend.com/will-the-2...#axzz2MJMnxmT1

I can't find the link, but I did read that a BMW spokeman said the new Toyota/BMW sports car will be friendly to the environment.

So I'm thinking it could end up being a hybrid sports car. Also it could have been previewed by the Toyota GRMN Sports Hybrid Concept II (at least when it comes to drivetrain).

Nice picture. Can you imagine this car without that body kit ? Because most of the time, a production car never come with Body kit....If so, it would look like a Boat on wheels
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So why no Supra? It just doesn’t make sense…There’s a strong faction within Toyota that still regards cars like the Supra as a waste of time, given the boom-and-bust sales performance of previous editions… The other problem is where the Supra would fit into the Toyota lineup, particularly in the U.S., where the GT86 is sold as a Scion and a $45,000 Toyota sports car would be a headache for dealers…
Nissan has no trouble moving a $100K GT-R. Don't see why a comparable Supra couldn't be made to fit into that bracket. Believe me, people will buy
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