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Old 06-14-13, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
No. I don't agree with that. Tuna-fish grilles don't necessarily make pedestrian-impacts any safer. They are just a marketing/styling gimick to try and make cars look different from the past when, IMO, there isn't any need to do change just for change's sake.
In the car business, in fact all consumer products, change is needed to draw new buyers, encourage repeat sales, stay current with styling trends and consumer preference. We may not agree with it, but it's always been that way and probably not going to change anytime soon.
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In the car business, in fact all consumer products, change is needed to draw new buyers, encourage repeat sales, stay current with styling trends and consumer preference. We may not agree with it, but it's always been that way and probably not going to change anytime soon.
Actually, no, it isn't always needed, and no, it hasn't always been that way. Look, for example, at how Ford almost ruined the hot-selling Taurus/Sable line when they radically transformed its styling from 1995 to 1996. Sales dropped dramatically....for obvious reasons.



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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Actually, no, it isn't always needed, and no, it hasn't always been that way. Look, for example, at how Ford almost ruined the hot-selling Taurus/Sable line when they radically transformed its styling from 1995 to 1996. Sales dropped dramatically....for obvious reasons.



On the other hand, look at Buick and your Verano (with its prominent grill). If they continued to sell the Roadmaster, Lucernes etc. they would have been left in the dust instead of flourishing with the Enclave, Encore, Lacrosse, Verano.

Ford is thriving too. With what? The contemporary Fusion, Focus, Explorer, Edge, Escape, Mustang etc.
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Mitusbishi started that trend all the way back in 1999

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Old 06-14-13, 11:08 AM
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I like the big mouth grill on the Audi's but not on most vehicles.
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Old 06-14-13, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir
Mitusbishi started that trend all the way back in 1999
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Chrysler in the 50's.

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Old 06-14-13, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LexBob2
On the other hand, look at Buick and your Verano (with its prominent grill).
I agree that the Verano's grille is larger than necessary (I've said that before, despite the fact that I own one). There is no totally perfect car yet.....at least, I haven't seen one.


If they continued to sell the Roadmaster, Lucernes etc. they would have been left in the dust instead of flourishing with the Enclave, Encore, Lacrosse, Verano
We'll see. Some Roadmaster and Lucerne owners find the current crop of Buicks acceptable....others don't. Problem is...there's no place that those former owners can go for imiliar new cars at a reasonable price (there's the Lexus LS460 and Mercedes S-Class, both much more expensive)...so I think you will see the values of used Lucernes rise in the used-car market as they become more-frequently-sold and in higher demand there.

Ford is thriving too. With what? The contemporary Fusion, Focus, Explorer, Edge, Escape, Mustang etc.
Yep....but when did Mustang sales really take off in recent years? Correct...when the car returned to its mid/late 1960s styling. We can't really comment as much on the others, because, to an extent, they are apples and oranges, though the Explorer was clearly at its peak in the mid-1990's with relatively square styling.
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hahaha sall good



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Originally Posted by Joeb427
Chrysler in the 50's.

WOW! I gotta say, I love that car
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The Hyundais are fugly
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
No. I don't agree with that. Tuna-fish grilles don't necessarily make pedestrian-impacts any safer. They are just a marketing/styling gimick to try and make cars look different from the past when, IMO, there isn't any need to do change just for change's sake.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...fatter-feature

Think modern cars look bloated? Of course you do. Part of what you're seeing is the effect of European and Asian pedestrian-protection requirements that went live last decade. The idea is to leave enough space beneath the hood to keep a struck pedestrian's head from caving it in far enough to hit the top of the engine. So, you'd expect higher hoods and taller noses. But that little bit of air over the intake manifold ripples through and changes everything.
higher hoods and higher noses = blunt fronts = big grilles, thats where the design trend is coming from. Say goodbye to sharp nose cars.
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Typically big mouths are used for Forced Induction (due to intercooler requirements) vehicles. My hope is that Toyco is moving their designs towards big mouths in anticipation of also going to turbocharged.
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Kind of sad that you have to buy an exotic to get the angry door-stop look. I can't think of anybody that's selling something affordable where the top of the bumper is below your knee cap(ala 1st gen MR2, 4th gen Camaro, 1st gen Miata)
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
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higher hoods and higher noses = blunt fronts = big grilles, thats where the design trend is coming from. Say goodbye to sharp nose cars.
this is why 3IS has popup hood in Europe :-)
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Old 06-15-13, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguygen

Think modern cars look bloated? Of course you do. Part of what you're seeing is the effect of European and Asian pedestrian-protection requirements that went live last decade. The idea is to leave enough space beneath the hood to keep a struck pedestrian's head from caving it in far enough to hit the top of the engine. So, you'd expect higher hoods and taller noses. But that little bit of air over the intake manifold ripples through and changes everything.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean that the extra space in front has to have a cave-opening grille.

An earlier poster in this thread, I'll admit, actually gave what is IMO a better explanation for overly-large grilles....more potential cooling for turbo and superscharged engines, although some of that is already taken care of by the intercoolers.
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