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Old 06-07-13, 04:25 AM
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JPL, you are so right. But another funny thing though.

My wife is confused between Kia Forte vs Civic, and the older Kia Suv for the 2010 lexus RX

I guess it s common for car makers to borrow cues from each other
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Toyota Motor Corp. is tossing aside a reliable but aging compact recipe by adding room, refinement, and bolder styling to the redesigned Corolla.

The venerable Corolla, the best-selling nameplate in the world and a longtime gateway to the Toyota brand for many buyers, has been consistently vanilla and a reliable quantity, with close to 40 million copies sold to date globally.

But more stylish rivals have loosened Toyota's grip on the sizable U.S. compact car market, drawing younger buyers and forcing the company to change gears.

With a wheelbase and length that is nearly 4 inches longer than the outgoing model, the 2014 Corolla is now considerably larger than the Honda Civic, Ford Focus and Chevrolet Cruze, further blurring the lines of what is considered a compact car.

The 11th-generation Corolla was created with what Toyota describes as striking, "iconic dynamism" exterior styling to more directly challenge chic-and-cheerful compact sedans from Ford (Focus), Hyundai (Elantra) and Mazda (Mazda3).

It was introduced in Santa Monica, Calif., Thursday evening.


"The current Corolla is fine, but this car has been elevated to appeal to a broader audience," Toyota Division general manager Bill Fay said in an interview. "We built the Toyota brand with Corolla, and with Corolla's [quality, dependability and reliability] story. With this car, there's a lot to talk about, there's more to work with. This is not the Corolla you expect."

Toyota will begin wholesaling the new Corolla to U.S. dealers in September.

Fay believes the redesigned model can easily break the 300,000-unit mark in annual U.S. sales, a milestone last reached in 2008, when Corolla Matrix sales were included.

Last year marked the 1st time since 2002 that the Corolla wasn't the best-selling compact car in the United States.

It was outsold by the heavily incentivized Honda Civic, 317,909 units to 290,947. So far through May, Corolla has regained the lead over Civic, 132,514 to 128,980, although Honda says it still has the lead in retail registrations to individuals.

Still, Corolla sales have fallen worldwide from a peak of 1.42 million units in 2006 as the Civic, Elantra, Focus and other competitors have attracted consumers with better fuel economy, lower prices and more dynamic styling.


Its pricing and success on the showroom floor will help determine how profitable Toyota is in future years, as well.

In terms of styling, while it's dangerous to be too conservative, "Toyota has shown you can be conservative in a segment and still be successful," said Jim Hall, principal of 2953 Analytics in suburban Detroit. "The details don't make or break a car. It's how it works as a whole that is why the Corolla has been successful."

Last redesigned in spring 2008, the Corolla is again on a 5-year product cycle. The last time around, Toyota delayed the Corolla by more than a year -- to a 6-year span -- after being caught off guard by competitors' much-improved products.

The current Corolla -- with a 27 mpg city/34 highway rating -- trails the 39 and 40 mpg highway fuel economy ratings on rival compacts.

The 2014 base Corolla will carry over a 1.8-liter, 132 hp 4-cylinder engine. But an optional Eco 1.8-liter engine will be available with 140 hp and highway fuel economy estimated to be above 40 mpg.

The base Corolla L will be offered with a carryover 4-speed automatic transmission or a 6-speed manual transmission. Those transmissions will represent a small percentage of Corolla sales.

For the vast majority of the lineup, the 2014 Corolla will be equipped with a continuously variable transmission, the 1st CVT offered by Toyota in North America.


Because many drivers dislike the "rubber band" feel of CVT pulleys searching for the optimal power-to-economy ratio, the Corolla CVT will have preset steps to behave more like an automatic transmission.

Toyota says the interior is quieter with the addition of an acoustic glass windscreen, improved floor carpet insulation, an instrument panel seal between the cowl and the windshield, a fender sound insulator and an inner dash silencer pad.

Inside, much of the extended wheelbase has been used to expand the rear-seat area, with nearly 3 more inches of legroom in the back.

Standard features for all Corollas will include Bluetooth, eight airbags, air conditioning, in-glass AM/FM antenna, 60/40 split fold-down rear seat, color-keyed outside door handles and mirrors, power door locks and windows with driver-side 1-touch up/down, LED low-beam headlamps and daytime running lights.

The Corolla will maintain its current front MacPherson strut and rear torsion beam suspension setup -- although there have been changes to suspension geometry and spring rate and bushing settings. The front and rear brakes are slightly larger, with optional solid discs in the back.

As the current Corolla has aged, fleet sales have been on the rise, according to data from Edmunds.com.


Fleet sales are estimated to make up 23 percent of Corolla's sales mix in 2013, almost double the rate from 5 years ago. It also has a higher concentration of fleet sales than all of its compact competitors except the Focus, according to Edmunds.

The Corolla buyer skews more toward female, married and urban buyers than the rest of the compact segment, according to demographic data from consultancy AutoPacific.
2014 Toyota Corolla
(Change in parentheses)

Wheelbase 106.3 in. (+3.9")
Width 69.9 in. (+0.6")
Length 182.6 in. (+3.9")
Height 57.3 in. (-0.4")

Corolla buyers also tend to be less educated and earn less money than consumers who buy other cars in the segment. The Corolla is more popular among growing minority groups, notably Hispanics.

With the new Corolla, Toyota is also going to have to make inroads with online shoppers. According to Edmunds, more Corolla shoppers consider rival vehicles than vice versa, across every compact nameplate.

For instance, while 27 percent of Corolla shoppers also looked at the Civic, only 11 percent of Civic shoppers also considered a Corolla.

1 unanswered question is whether the Corolla's sibling vehicle -- the Matrix 5-door hatchback -- will remain in the lineup.

The Matrix was added to the Toyota stable in 2002 and initially constituted 15 percent or more of the Corolla sales mix. But sources within Toyota say the Matrix represents well below 10 percent of sales today. Hints from executives indicate the Matrix will not be reloaded.


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Old 06-07-13, 07:08 AM
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What a disappointment. The interior looks like it's from the 90's. Damn Toyota, can't design a decent looking car but it's OK because the faithful will buy them in droves.
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Old 06-07-13, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sulu
Finally, I see the current Camry as the transition model caught between the old regime and the new leadership of Akio Toyoda. I wonder if we will see a radical (for Toyota) exterior and interior refresh on the Camry in a year or so, in an effort to bring it into the new family of sedans symbolized by the Avalon and new Corolla?
From what I understand, the Camry will have a very substantial refresh - possibly an entirely new generation - for 2015. A 3 year run would be unheard of for Camry models, but I know for a fact that 1) Dealers have been unimpressed with the 7th gen since it came out, even sending Toyota back to the drawing board for last minute adjustments before it was released, 2) The reason Toyota is selling so many Camrys right now is that dealers are offering $5k+ off and 3) The new Altima and Accord are giving Toyota dealers hell - see point 2. From what I heard, expect something very similar to the new Avalon.

Regarding this Corolla, I do agree that it's more stylish than the current car, but I generally see a mix of the previous generation Civic and the Dodge dart, from just about every angle. Yes, it fits within Toyota's new design theme and portfolio, but this design looks pretty derivative.

I also don't see how everyone is raving about that interior. Shiny black plastic around the center console, upright dashboard and a shifter/lower console that just looks very bare. Overall, it looks like a design from the early 90s that they nipped and tucked with new features.

Also...why do we need 9 inches of wheel gap...?
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Old 06-07-13, 07:39 AM
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^^^^ its a corolla, built to a price point for millions.. This is a huge leap in most areas. It's going to sell so Internet complaints are just that.

Toyota heard complaints and seemed to attempt to fix the bland style inside and out.

What I am SUPER happy about is Toyota is no longer ripping off Lexus design cues.
 
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Originally Posted by -J-P-L-
I have to say though, I'm seeing a lot of Dodge Dart in this. Who would've thought!



It's a jelly bean as is every thing else. Of course they will be similar. Unless you're buying a niche model you're buying a badge and different feature content of essentially the same thing
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Old 06-07-13, 08:46 AM
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The new Corolla LE Eco model targets an estimated EPA highway fuel economy rating of over 40 mpg.
I wonder what the combined MPG will be with the new engine + CVT combination?
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Old 06-07-13, 09:06 AM
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Fleet sales for the Corolla was 23% last year? Wow. Probably higher this year. I'm sure Toyota wants that to go down to like 10%.
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Old 06-07-13, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MPLexus301
From what I understand, the Camry will have a very substantial refresh - possibly an entirely new generation - for 2015. A 3 year run would be unheard of for Camry models, but I know for a fact that 1) Dealers have been unimpressed with the 7th gen since it came out, even sending Toyota back to the drawing board for last minute adjustments before it was released, 2) The reason Toyota is selling so many Camrys right now is that dealers are offering $5k+ off and 3) The new Altima and Accord are giving Toyota dealers hell - see point 2. From what I heard, expect something very similar to the new Avalon.

Regarding this Corolla, I do agree that it's more stylish than the current car, but I generally see a mix of the previous generation Civic and the Dodge dart, from just about every angle. Yes, it fits within Toyota's new design theme and portfolio, but this design looks pretty derivative.

I also don't see how everyone is raving about that interior. Shiny black plastic around the center console, upright dashboard and a shifter/lower console that just looks very bare. Overall, it looks like a design from the early 90s that they nipped and tucked with new features.

Also...why do we need 9 inches of wheel gap...?
its a car that starts at $16k... to me it looks better than ILX.

I like it a lot, they will sell tons of them.

As to influences, Avalon, Scion tC and Camry...

This will become #1 seller for sure.
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Originally Posted by doublehh03
Fleet sales for the Corolla was 23% last year? Wow. Probably higher this year. I'm sure Toyota wants that to go down to like 10%.
Companies need a dependable car in fleets people want. It's a great business case and only a point for people that don't know about business.
 
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Originally Posted by Blueprint
Companies need a dependable car in fleets people want. It's a great business case and only a point for people that don't know about business.
And I guarantee you Toyota would like that number to be down to around 10%, or lower.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
its a car that starts at $16k... to me it looks better than ILX.

I like it a lot, they will sell tons of them.

As to influences, Avalon, Scion tC and Camry...

This will become #1 seller for sure.
I agree.
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looks like a mini avalon (at least from front).

wheel gap is laughable.

interior is good, although center pod has REALLY cheap looking shiny black plastic.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
This gauge cluster speedo/tach sucks badly
disagree. prefer large center vs. 2 equal size.
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Hmmm, from what the pictures show, the "S" models no longer has added aero kits?
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