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Old 05-08-13, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
perhaps not in the States, but our neighbors to the north had a little thing called the CSX which is a rebadged Civic. I've even seen a 2002 bodystyle CSX here in Cali once
Exactly

Originally Posted by Vladi
FWD is the least of the Acura's concerns. Actually they manage to do FWD right so I give them that.

Their problem is they cannot understand what consists car luxury today. It's not about amenities anymore cause everybody has them, today is more then ever about statement, design, build quality and driving technology that makes one hell of a driving experience. Look at Tesla, they do not even offer ventilated seats or even 12 way power seats but they have THE technology under the car, inside the car and they have the design.

Acura missed the boat with SH-AWD big time cause the previous RL didn't really need it and they couldn't show the full capacity of the most advanced AWD system at the time. Current gen TL is the best adaptation of SH-AWD yet but no one knows about it and Acura doesn't care about it.

Engines are even more of a same. Big block V6s are goin away and I am surprised they didn't see it coming like they saw it with V8. Actually it's their principle never to build V8 or anything with more that six cylinders in a road car but climate today is doing them a big favor and yet the don't have single proper small(er) turbocharged engine. They were not ready much like Lexus, Infiniti who are stuck with their 3.5 blocks and very soon those engines appeal will be more and more limited as days go by.

New RLX brings some nice driving technologies that Acura lacked so bad but they fail on industrial design inspirational part (except jewel LED lights), UI technology implementation of two screens that are redundant with each other and it's hardware buttons and actual driving experience. New hybrid SH-AWD will debut in RLX but its fame will be sealed in new NSX, something that original SH-AWD never had.

I said before and I will say it again that new hybrid SH-AWD system is the true next gen hybrid system that will make a difference if Acura implements it across the board.

Bottom line is RLX\s packaging is it's worst enemy. Why have P-AWS standard and not Navigation? Why cooled seats are offered on the most expensive trim package? Why is power rear shade not in a base trim but instead combined with Krell audio package?!?
And why there is no adaptive suspension at all cause that could have made even greater impact on driving experience than P-AWS?

BTW they axed TSX cause no new Accord is coming out from Honda Europe.
Really good post. Yeah the Euro Accord was not well received and sold poorly, not sure why they turned it more into an ES 350 kinda car instead of the smallish fun one the previous gen was.

I am beyond puzzled at pricing. They decontented it and give you some headlights and rear steering but no real leather until the 54k tech package and AWD is gone.

Acura RLX base -$48,450
Cadillac XTS base-$44,075

Acura RLX base-$48,450
Lincoln MKS- $42,870

Let alone

RLX base- $48,450
GS base $47,250

RLX base- $48,450
528 base- $47,800
 
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Originally Posted by Vladi

Engines are even more of a same. Big block V6s are goin away and I am surprised they didn't see it coming like they saw it with V8. Actually it's their principle never to build V8 or anything with more that six cylinders in a road car but climate today is doing them a big favor and yet the don't have single proper small(er) turbocharged engine. They were not ready much like Lexus, Infiniti who are stuck with their 3.5 blocks and very soon those engines appeal will be more and more limited as days go by.
There is a sizeable segment of the population who will still prefer a real v6 over a turbo 4 banger
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Old 05-08-13, 09:07 AM
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Should come standard with one of those.

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Nowhere to be found. There is no way in hell any company could be happy with 400 sales of a flagship model brand new when it is supposed to sell its best. That is a pittance of sales on par with a Hyundai Equus.
As I see it, the Equus doesn't sell for two reasons. First, the public doesn't actually go look at it....they're usually at Hyundai shops to check out the Sonata, Elantra, Santa Fe, Tuscon, etc.....

Second, (though I know that not everyone agrees with me on this), offering a car like the Equus in only four basic funeral-home colors is simply insulting.

This is the same thing we heard with the ZDX, ILX, the CRZ, the Insight, the Element, the Ridgeline... "oh wait until there is more inventory".
Though I agree with you on the problems the others are having, the Element actually did sell. Most buyers of Elements (including one of my closest friends, who bought one for his wife) were very satisfied with them. They were reliable, versatile, space-efficient, and easy to clean. (It came in quite handy, I remember, when I helped him move into a new house locally...carried a lot of stuff).



Buick seemed to figure out what people want with the Verano.
It's not selling in Camry/Accord numbers, of course, but is definitely a success. There's also evidence that it's stealing a number of Regal sales, despite the the fact that the Regal, particularly in GS form, is more of a sports-sedan and is more popular with the auto-press.

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It's not selling in Camry/Accord numbers, of course, but is definitely a success. There's also evidence that it's stealing a number of Regal sales, despite the the fact that the Regal, particularly in GS form, is more of a sports-sedan and is more popular with the auto-press.
Regal's getting fixed for 2014. Better engine, nicer interior, AWD. That should create some separation from teh Verano.
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Originally Posted by mrraider
Regal's getting fixed for 2014. Better engine, nicer interior, AWD. That should create some separation from the Verano.
The Lacrosse is also getting improvements...so the non-GS Regal is probably going to be squeezed from above as well as below.

Originally Posted by Vladi
Their problem is they cannot understand what consists car luxury today. It's not about amenities anymore cause everybody has them, today is more then ever about statement, design, build quality and driving technology that makes one hell of a driving experience.
Build quality, IMO, is where the 2Gen RL shined. It (admittedly) may have been too small for a true flagship, and too close to an Accord in its styling. But, by modern standards, Acura really put some material solidness into that car. Almost everything on it felt like it was carved out of a block of granite, which is unusual in many modern vehicles with their cost/weight-cutting, and the doors closed and latched like bank vaults. Sadly (and perhaps inevitably) that's noticeably missing from the new 3Gen RLX.

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Old 05-08-13, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The Lacrosse is also getting improvements...so the non-GS Regal is probably going to be squeezed from above as well as below.

You can read the details here:

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/03/...gs-here-it-is/

Essentially the all Regals will be turbo with the same 259hp engine. The Gs will be different in that will have the adaptive suspension, hiper strut and special body kit. The separation between Regal Gs and non Gs will be slim.
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Old 05-09-13, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mrraider
Regal's getting fixed for 2014. Better engine, nicer interior, AWD. That should create some separation from teh Verano.
The Regal is the only Buick sedan currently Recommended by CR from their Road Test and Owners Surveys. The Lacrosse and Verano aren't Recommended due to worse than average Reliability.
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Old 05-09-13, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The Lacrosse is also getting improvements...so the non-GS Regal is probably going to be squeezed from above as well as below.



Build quality, IMO, is where the 2Gen RL shined. It (admittedly) may have been too small for a true flagship, and too close to an Accord in its styling. But, by modern standards, Acura really put some material solidness into that car. Almost everything on it felt like it was carved out of a block of granite, which is unusual in many modern vehicles with their cost/weight-cutting, and the doors closed and latched like bank vaults. Sadly (and perhaps inevitably) that's noticeably missing from the new 3Gen RLX.
I agree with actual manufacturing quality and refinement but I wasn't very precise when I just said build quality. I also meant more variety of materials used inside and outside of the car, more advanced materials and advanced build methods, more choice for cabin decoration and more colors. It took Lexus long time to figure that out and as a result we have GS that has six different colors of interior and more than three veneers. That's an improvement although Europeans are still way ahead in this game but Acura is way too behind in customization of interior. For God's sake they only offer two or three interior color choices on their flagship model, there is no excuse for such a thing.
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http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...,5338415.story

Another review with more of the same.

2014 Acura RLX fails to impress when compared with its peers
The 2014 Acura RLX feels and drives too much like a Honda to justify its price. Plus, every other car in the mid-size luxury pool holds an advantage the RLX lacks.


By David Undercoffler, Los Angeles Times
May 11, 2013, 5:00 a.m.
Strip away the $61,345 price tag and ignore all of its competitors, and the 2014 Acura RLX isn't a bad car.

It's a quiet, luxurious and stylish front-wheel-drive sedan that sits at the top of the lineup for Honda's premium brand.

Unfortunately, the RLX has plenty of competition, since it swims in the choppy waters of the mid-size luxury pool. Its peers throw into sharp relief the fact that the RLX feels and drives too much like a Honda to justify even the $49,345 base price.

Plus, every other car in this class holds a meaningful advantage the RLX lacks.

The king of value is the Hyundai Genesis. Tank-like construction? The Mercedes E-Class. The Audi A6 and Jaguar XF are more stylish, the Lexus GS hybrid and Lincoln MKZ hybrid are more fuel efficient.

Buyers seeking Japanese reliability will prefer the Infiniti M, while shoppers who want spirited driving have the BMW 5-Series and Cadillac CTS to consider.

The minor accolades that set this Acura apart are ample rear-seat space and a pile of electronic goodies. But they're not enough to help the lagging fortunes of Acura in this segment.

The predecessor to the RLX — the RL — had more than a little trouble distinguishing itself in its segment. After peaking in its inaugural year in 2005 with more than 17,000 sales, according to Edmunds.com, the fall has been precipitous. By 2012, the RL sold just 379 copies. All year. The BMW 5-Series averaged more than that over a long weekend.

Hoping to correct the RL's unpopularity, Acura made several changes to the formula for its biggest sedan.

It started by stretching the wheelbase by two inches and throwing the dividends from this growth into rear legroom, which is now the best in the class. The extra space is appreciable, and comfort and space in the front and rear seats is excellent. But how high does rear legroom rank on shoppers' list of priorities?

Acura also made the RLX more powerful and more fuel efficient than the RL.

Hiding behind Acura's recently subdued metallic beak-grille is a smooth-revving V-6 engine. At 3.5 liters, it's 0.2 liters smaller than before, yet horsepower is up by 10 to 310. Torque rises by a single pound-foot to 272.

Honda and Acura rarely fail to bolt together an enjoyable engine. This is no exception. Though the RLX is no lightweight at an eyelash under 4,000 pounds, this V-6 remains composed when pushed hard (though drivers must engage the car's Sport mode for best results). The only problem is that this is a segment in which impressive engines are as common as seat belts.

Acura does deserve credit for adding direct-injection and lower-friction surfaces in the engine to eke out better fuel mileage while increasing power. The RLX has a six-speed automatic transmission. Fuel economy is rated at 20 mpg in the city and 31 mpg on the highway.

In 215 miles of testing, we averaged 21 mpg. But for the same money as this Acura, there are a myriad of better hybrid models for those who want a fuel-efficient luxury car.

Later in the year, Acura itself will put on sale a hybrid version of the RLX. It will combine all-wheel drive with at least 370 horsepower, a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission, and expected fuel economy of 30 mpg in both city and highway driving.

Pricing hasn't been announced, but it will probably sell for at least several thousand dollars more than the $49,345 base price of the front-wheel-drive RLX.

Acura sees this more powerful hybrid model as making a play for customers who would opt for a V-8 from a rival brand. This philosophy is similar to how Lexus positions its GS hybrid, the 450h.

But the biggest reason to wait for this uber-RLX is it should clean up the woeful front-wheel-drive tendencies of the model we tested.

Of everything the RLX competes with, only the Audi and Lincoln are also front-wheel-drive, though a majority of Audi buyers opt for the all-wheel-drive version. The rest of the field is driven by the rear wheels, the way God, or at least physics, intended.

By pushing power to the same wheels that are steering, and with nearly 61% of the car's weight hanging over those front wheels, the RLX meets enthusiastic turns with poor grip and a sloppy line.

Acura claims to have mitigated this Achilles' heel of front-drive cars with what it calls Precision All-Wheel Steer, or P-AWS. This electronic system is standard on all models. It steers the rear wheels in the opposite direction from the front during turns for better agility. It can also move the rear wheels on the same path as the front for quicker lane changes.

Despite the hype, this system only marginally improves the RLX's tendency to plow through curves when pushed. It had an equally minor effect on making the car behave like a proper rear-wheel-drive sedan. There's just not enough electronic lipstick to mask a front-wheel-drive pig.

Eager driving was further discouraged by the transmission's manual mode. Start tapping the standard paddle shifters and the car rolls off upshifts so slowly you'd think they were relayed by carrier pigeon.

Yet other electronic wizardry that's optional on the RLX proved more useful. Our tester had the Advance package, which added a hefty $12,000 to the $49,345 base price. Included in this package is adaptive cruise control, the best lane-keeping assist system we've encountered, and forward collision warning and braking.

This package also added heated and cooled leather seats, a 14-speaker Krell audio system, blind spot monitoring, moon roof and a navigation system with real-time traffic updates. Items including a backup camera, Pandora radio, iPod integration, seven air bags and lane departure warning are standard on all models.

Also standard are what Acura calls Jewel Eye LED headlamps. Together with handsome (non-jeweled) LED taillights, they make up the only interesting element of the RLX exterior. The car certainly isn't ugly, and in the flesh it exudes a conservative yet stately air.

This is all fine until a Jaguar XF pulls up next to you and suddenly you feel as if you're driving the nicest Honda Accord in the world. It's all relative.

Inside the RLX, this feeling continues. To be clear, this Acura has the right amount of leather-covered surfaces, digital screens and dabs of brushed metal and faux-wood that let it lay claim to the luxury club.

The dual-screen setup in the dashboard is a particularly nice touch. One large display screen for the navigation system sits at the center of the console. Below it is a second, smaller touchscreen. Its functions vary between audio and climate, and this layout wisely conserves space. The rest of the cabin is quiet and comfortable.

Yet somehow the insides of the RLX lack the intangible gravitas of something like a Mercedes-Benz E-Class. Passengers are further reminded about this by the cheap, hollow noise put out by the suspension when the wheels run over rough surfaces.

Viewed on a macro scale, know that if you find yourself at an Acura store with at least $50,000 to spend on a new car, there's no outright reason not to buy the 2014 RLX. Just don't look across the road at a rival lot that sells any of its peers. You'll quickly learn why Acura dealers always want you to shop there last.
More harsh suspension complaints too.

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Old 05-11-13, 10:10 PM
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This is all fine until a Jaguar XF pulls up next to you and suddenly you feel as if you're driving the nicest Honda Accord in the world. It's all relative.
thats great!!
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What a giant disaster. Not sure we have seen a launch this poorly. 273 sold the entire month of May with full inventories, incentives off the bat and a brand new vehicle.

Why did they even try? Just pack it up.
 
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yawn...

I did finally buy another Honda product, 12 years after my last one. There were incentives too, $40 off at Costco lol.



I'm far more excited to pickup one of these than I could be about the RLX or pretty much any Acura product these days.

Overhead Cam, sweet.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
thats great!!
To be perfectly honest, Jaguar XF and XK owners feel like owning a nice Ford as well. Yes even in 2013 long after "Ford has nothing to do with the Jag" XF feels like a fancy Ford inside. It has to be the part bin or something but everything clicks and wobble exactly like Ford/Lincoln.
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Originally Posted by Vladi
To be perfectly honest, Jaguar XF and XK owners feel like owning a nice Ford as well. Yes even in 2013 long after "Ford has nothing to do with the Jag" XF feels like a fancy Ford inside. It has to be the part bin or something but everything clicks and wobble exactly like Ford/Lincoln.
I'm shocked! The interior design looks pretty different. Granted I haven't been inside of an XF, but I have driven a convertible XK briefly and it didn't feel like anything in particular felt out of place or cheap to me. What in particular felt or wobbled like a Ford?
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