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Old 02-19-13, 05:52 PM
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As Mercedes sits on the cusp of adding even more AMG models with its 4Matic all-wheel drive system and Audi’s quattro reigns supreme as a reputation booster, it’s hard not to wonder if BMW will capitulate.

Past rumors suggested there might be a version of the M5 on tap with BMW’s xDrive system, and it could make sense.

Remaining a rear-wheel drive only brand arguably isolates BMW’s M Division from buyers in cold climates, but that doesn’t seem to matter to division head Friedrich Nitschke. “Our philosophy in regards to steering feel and precision is that rear-wheel drive is the best solution,” he said.

Aside from handling, he also said the xDrive system adds up to 198 lbs to a car and points to the M differential as one of the industry’s best.

Nitschke also said that while only offering dual-clutch transmissions in its M cars make sense from a production standpoint, it will continue to offer manuals as long as there is demand.

Finally, he said that there won’t be an M version of the 3 Series Gran Turismo despite the M3 diversifying into sedan, coupe and convertible forms with the new 4 Series nameplate.
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The recently revealed 2014 E63 AMG won’t be the only All-Wheel Drive AMG sedan coming from the German automaker says a Mercedes-Benz product manager.

“Upcoming AMG models will be available exclusively with 4Matic in North America,” Christopher Goczan told AutoGuide.com at the recent 2013 Canadian International Auto Show in Toronto. Goczan, a Product Manager at Mercedes-Benz Canada, referenced the new E-Class AMG, and upcoming CLA 45 AMG, which both utilize all-wheel-drive.

The extremely powerful E63 AMG features 550 hp and 531 lb-ft of torque. When you pair that awesome power with its 4MATIC all-wheel-drive system, it can get to 60 mph in under four seconds, a half-second faster than the last generation To give a sportier feel, the 4Matic system in the E-class is tweaked to deliver 67% of the vehicle’s power to the rear-wheels, while the front wheels get the remaining 33%. In the upcoming CLA 45 AMG, the 4Matic system is a little different, sending 100% of the power to the front-wheels until a loss of traction is detected. With a turbocharged 360-hp four-cylinder engine, it’s likely that power will be sent to the supporting rear wheels very often.

All-wheel drive AMG models were normally reserved for Mercedes’ SUV models, like the ML63 AMG and G63 AMG. The E-class as well as the new CLS four-door coupe, are the brands first all-wheel drive performance sedans, and Gozcan promised that they certainly won’t be the last.

Mercedes has also revealed a more powerful E63 AMG S-model, which makes 577 hp and 590 lb-ft of torque. Gozcan explained that S-Model branding will replace the old “AMG Performance Package” that was previously available to AMG vehicles. The S-model changes are far more expansive than just an engine tune for more output. Goczan explained that more performance oriented brakes, exhaust and a limited slip differential will give the E-Class AMG more bite at the track.

This strategy will not interfere with Mercedes “Black Series” vehicles he says, which will still be reserved for exclusive, low-volume performance oriented vehicles.
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i hope it stays rwd....
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Mercedes has also revealed a more powerful E63 AMG S-model, which makes 577 hp and 590 lb-ft of torque. Gozcan explained that S-Model branding will replace the old “AMG Performance Package” that was previously available to AMG vehicles. The S-model changes are far more expansive than just an engine tune for more output. Goczan explained that more performance oriented brakes, exhaust and a limited slip differential will give the E-Class AMG more bite at the track.
S-Model? Sounds like Audi's S-Line. The should just leave it AMG Performance Package
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Originally Posted by rominl
i hope it stays rwd....
They pretty much have to, 600 hp and 4500 lbs...........is not fun to have power that can't be use. Until they can cut the weight dramatically.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
S-Model? Sounds like Audi's S-Line. The should just leave it AMG Performance Package
So they can put the "S" on a badge, they can't do "Amg AMG" badge
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So they can put the "S" on a badge, they can't do "Amg AMG" badge
For the price of "AMG" they should just include everything
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Man that S-AMG just looks so tacky.....
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We will never make M SUVS
We wil never make M automatics
We will never go with forced induction

Lol.... And they have awd M now with the X5 ans X6 M
 
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Remaining a rear-wheel drive only brand arguably isolates BMW’s M Division from buyers in cold climates, but that doesn’t seem to matter to division head Friedrich Nitschke. “Our philosophy in regards to steering feel and precision is that rear-wheel drive is the best solution,” he said.
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Originally Posted by Blueprint
BMW
We will never make M SUVS
We wil never make M automatics
We will never go with forced induction

Lol.... And they have awd M now with the X5 ans X6 M
In fairness though, the SUV/CUVs are only offered in AWD, with the exception of the X1s RWD "S" offering. So, inherently the X5/6 M would be AWD.

I just hope that the CARS stay RWD (and go back to N/A =))!
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IMHO if you want power and AWD buy an Audi S-anything or a 991 turbo. I love BMW's mentality of "yes we have power, yes it is RWD only, no we will not coddle you - learn to control the machine"
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Originally Posted by BNR34
So they can put the "S" on a badge, they can't do "Amg AMG" badge
seriously that whole idea is just silly imho
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Originally Posted by Blueprint
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We will never make M SUVS
We wil never make M automatics
We will never go with forced induction

Lol.... And they have awd M now with the X5 ans X6 M
Right. I'm honestly reading this memo as "We don't have time to engineer a proper AWD system for this upcoming generation of M-cars but will in the future."
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I could care less how many badges are on the back of the car. Regardless when you see that AMG or S badge you know you need to move the H_ _ _ out the way.
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IMHO, when it comes to maximum possible performance, there is no right or wrong when it comes to this (RWD versus AWD).

Both will have its own pros and cons

RWD - better in steering, handling in turns, drift-friendly, less weight BUT severely weakened in ice and snow as well as in wet conditions plus all that power can't be fully utilized during launch acceleration

AWD- better off-the-line acceleration, better grip, can still hold its own during ice and snow as well as wet/rainy conditions BUT it makes the car heavier and is not as easy to drift compared to a rear-wheel drive car

Different strokes for different folks =)
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