spwolf

you are talking about fake ratings?

So I guess the question is - will Toyota work the EPA results so they get fake rating too?

Chocolate

I remember when GM advertised their 4 cylinder, FWD Terrain as getting 33 hwy mpg, an obvious lie. They still claim it achieves 32 hwy mpg, still a laughable lie for a 4,000 pound, boxy SUV. It seems certain domestic models are allowed false EPA ratings.

spwolf

yeah, it is interesting... all these Ford hybrids getting 47 MPG combined actually get 36-39 max in real life, slightly less than Toyota Hybrids that should get 40 MPG EPA.

So now Ford is gaining sales, it has better CAFE numbers but some customers are complaining, not enough for now to influence their sales.

In fact, one of the guys that had 2010 Fusion Hybrid and now has 2013, says that his 2010 constantly gets better mpg over the same routes (new one should get 10 MPG better).

spwolf

so question is - will Toyota have to play the EPA numbers themselves? Otherwise public perception is that they are behind the curve, low technology company.

caddyowner

I have a 2011 Prius and used to think this way. However, I've had no issue with the center-ish placement of the displays. Heck, I already look to the center to see the rearview mirror. A big advantage of the center display is that I can adjust my steering wheel for comfort and not worry about obstructing any displays. The only complaint I have with the Prius display is that Toyota uses a display technology that is mostly blocked by polarized sunglasses. I have a set of non-polarized dark glasses for use in the Prius.

As for the picture, I'd like to see the front. From the spy pics I've seen, the front is supposed to look a lot more athletic.

Chocolate

I can do the same thing You'd have to have the steering wheel at an extreme angle to block anything.

Chocolate

It's remarkable. The Lincoln MKZ hybrid uses a larger displacement engine and weighs 700 POUNDS more than a Lexus CT, yet it somehow gets 3mpg better. Another EPA lie.