Applies more to just the 5-Series. The 3-Series is still one of the lighter ones in it's class, with the ATS marginally larger by around 50lbs give or take. Everything else, C-Class, A4, G37/Q50, 2IS/3IS come in around 3500-3800lbs when equipped

 

 

2755 lbs..... http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/26/2...new-york-2013/

 

 

Which bring me to why does the Camaro & Challenger have to be soooo BIG, by today's standards. I think those could have been a little more streamlined!

 

The answer is obvious. Look at who's primarily driving them....overweight 60-year-old Baby Boomers re-living their youth..

 

A lot of stereotypes flying around here!!

 

Not that tradition is always a good thing, but i thought that the retro muscle cars like camaro, mustang, and challenger "have to" be heavy because they use traditional materials like steel.

I was thinking that since they have started to retro their designs, they do not plan on using "futuristic" materials.

Any credence to that?

 

Not only are cars heavier but some just look huge. The 3 Series BMW is the car I notice this the most. I love that car but it looks like it's the size of an E39 5 Series. The same goes for the 5 series. From far away it looks almost as big as a 7 series would be.

The Lexus ES is huge too. It went from being a decent size but now it's almost as big as a newer GS and the LS430/LS400. It's weird to pull up next to an ES350 and it looks as big as my LS430.

 

I don't think the pony cars are that heavy due to any policy regarding materials but more simple economics. Those cars are built to a price-point, so most of the R&D is spent on style and motor, everything else they'll pull from the corporate parts bin. There is no reason the Camaro should weigh over 2 tons,but it does. And it sells. As the CAFE standards increase, though, weight savings will have to be addressed. Imagine the performance and mpg increase if the Camaro were to shed 500lbs as they did with the new CTS, cost notwithstanding.

 

The muscle cars could go on a diet as well, mainly the Camaro and Challenger. They just seem so big and bulky. I notice it more with the Camaro because the 90's Camaros/Firebirds are pretty common around here.

 

What needs to slim down is the mustang. Those things are so huge and hard to park yet the interior is basically a 2 seated (back two seats are useless)

 

2015 should be smaller and lighter according to rumormill

 

My 1998 Z28 convertible, about 3500lbs vs the 2012 SS convertible, 4100lbs. Despite the new car having about 430hp vs my old car at around 340hp, they both are within that 13.0-13.5 second et range depending on driver, with the nod going to the newer car being a little bit faster. You can see how much the weight is slowing down newer cars, despite an extra 80-90hp, it really isn't all that much faster than my 15 year old car.

 

The current Mustang is already smaller and lighter than either the Camaro or (especially) the Challenger.