April 2013 Sales Thread
#48
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Man, it is making me sick to my stomach to see our beloved Lexus brand not leading the luxury pack. Why wont those pre 2010 years come back?!
Come on Lexus, offer more choices and lower the prices like you did with the IS. There was a 9k price hike for the LS. The 4LS was 62k and the 4.5LS IS 71.9k. Be aggressive with your products and innovations.
That #1 crown is waiting in BMW's office for you to rightfully take back. Here's to a bright 2013 for the L!
Come on Lexus, offer more choices and lower the prices like you did with the IS. There was a 9k price hike for the LS. The 4LS was 62k and the 4.5LS IS 71.9k. Be aggressive with your products and innovations.
That #1 crown is waiting in BMW's office for you to rightfully take back. Here's to a bright 2013 for the L!
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I think you should ask those that know these questions instead of posting inaccuracies. The CTS starts at $38,000 far below that class. Its a TWEENER, always has been and it has a coupe.
We have been doing this list for years the CTS has been in the entry level class for years. You want to suddenly bump it up b/c the ATS came? lol
Maybe when the new model debuts it becomes a true mid size car and not a tweener and it seems they will move it up in price and in amenities.
We have been doing this list for years the CTS has been in the entry level class for years. You want to suddenly bump it up b/c the ATS came? lol
Maybe when the new model debuts it becomes a true mid size car and not a tweener and it seems they will move it up in price and in amenities.
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Sure, the CTS may start at $39,990 (yes, 40k, not 38k as you mistakingly mentioned), but it maxes out at $59k and the CTS-V (aka their high performance model - something the GS doesn't even offer) maxes out at $74k.
But yet, you still consider the CTS a "tweener" between entry level and mid size?
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The CTS is actually wider, taller, and longer than the GS, yet according to you it's not in the same "midsize" class as the GS and the others? ![Confused](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
Sure, the CTS may start at $39,990 (yes, 40k, not 38k as you mistakingly mentioned), but it maxes out at $59k and the CTS-V (aka their high performance model - something the GS doesn't even offer) maxes out at $74k.
But yet, you still consider the CTS a "tweener" between entry level and mid size?![Uhh...](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/1387914497.gif)
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Sure, the CTS may start at $39,990 (yes, 40k, not 38k as you mistakingly mentioned), but it maxes out at $59k and the CTS-V (aka their high performance model - something the GS doesn't even offer) maxes out at $74k.
But yet, you still consider the CTS a "tweener" between entry level and mid size?
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The CTS is actually wider, taller, and longer than the GS, yet according to you it's not in the same "midsize" class as the GS and the others? ![Confused](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
Sure, the CTS may start at $39,990 (yes, 40k, not 38k as you mistakingly mentioned), but it maxes out at $59k and the CTS-V (aka their high performance model - something the GS doesn't even offer) maxes out at $74k.
But yet, you still consider the CTS a "tweener" between entry level and mid size?![Uhh...](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/1387914497.gif)
![Confused](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
Sure, the CTS may start at $39,990 (yes, 40k, not 38k as you mistakingly mentioned), but it maxes out at $59k and the CTS-V (aka their high performance model - something the GS doesn't even offer) maxes out at $74k.
But yet, you still consider the CTS a "tweener" between entry level and mid size?
![Uhh...](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/1387914497.gif)
I strongly suggest doing some extensive reading on the CTS and automotive field in general.
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It doesn't make sense on paper, but GM did position the CTS as a tweener- it was supposed to cover the gray area between the 3-series and 5-series, C-class and E-class. Cadillac never positioned the CTS 3.6 against the E350 and 528i/535i, for example. That's why the next gen is growing in stature and luxury.
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It doesn't make sense on paper, but GM did position the CTS as a tweener- it was supposed to cover the gray area between the 3-series and 5-series, C-class and E-class. Cadillac never positioned the CTS 3.6 against the E350 and 528i/535i, for example. That's why the next gen is growing in stature and luxury.
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Man, it is making me sick to my stomach to see our beloved Lexus brand not leading the luxury pack. Why wont those pre 2010 years come back?!
Come on Lexus, offer more choices and lower the prices like you did with the IS. There was a 9k price hike for the LS. The 4LS was 62k and the 4.5LS IS 71.9k. Be aggressive with your products and innovations.
That #1 crown is waiting in BMW's office for you to rightfully take back. Here's to a bright 2013 for the L!
Come on Lexus, offer more choices and lower the prices like you did with the IS. There was a 9k price hike for the LS. The 4LS was 62k and the 4.5LS IS 71.9k. Be aggressive with your products and innovations.
That #1 crown is waiting in BMW's office for you to rightfully take back. Here's to a bright 2013 for the L!
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Certainly you don't consider it in the same class as the LS, 7, S,.... do you?
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GS sales seem so sporadic...some months it is at 1,800 - 2,000, others it is at 1,200 - 1,300. Up then down, up then down, etc.
GS will never sell like the E or 5 because of the ES. That said, I would still like to see it around 2,000 units a month consistently. However, to achieve that, Lexus needs to get more aggressive with ADVERTISING. I've never seen an ad for the GS 450h - the halo car of the GS lineup. When the car came out, the ads focused on the car's technology - not the luxury, the design, the quality, etc. I just remember seeing a GS 350 zip through refrigerators, washers and phones while the voiceover tried convincing me that Lexus was making progress.
Some days, I swear that Lexus themselves hate the GS.
GS will never sell like the E or 5 because of the ES. That said, I would still like to see it around 2,000 units a month consistently. However, to achieve that, Lexus needs to get more aggressive with ADVERTISING. I've never seen an ad for the GS 450h - the halo car of the GS lineup. When the car came out, the ads focused on the car's technology - not the luxury, the design, the quality, etc. I just remember seeing a GS 350 zip through refrigerators, washers and phones while the voiceover tried convincing me that Lexus was making progress.
Some days, I swear that Lexus themselves hate the GS.
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The CTS came out a decade ago. I realize where it was positioned at that time. But with the introduction of the ATS, it's silly to leave out the CTS on the "midsize class" lists (or to not even consider it midsize when it is in fact, larger than the current GS in length, width, and height).
Honestly if it makes you that crazy make your own damn list.
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GS sales seem so sporadic...some months it is at 1,800 - 2,000, others it is at 1,200 - 1,300. Up then down, up then down, etc.
GS will never sell like the E or 5 because of the ES. That said, I would still like to see it around 2,000 units a month consistently. However, to achieve that, Lexus needs to get more aggressive with ADVERTISING. I've never seen an ad for the GS 450h - the halo car of the GS lineup. When the car came out, the ads focused on the car's technology - not the luxury, the design, the quality, etc. I just remember seeing a GS 350 zip through refrigerators, washers and phones while the voiceover tried convincing me that Lexus was making progress.
Some days, I swear that Lexus themselves hate the GS.
GS will never sell like the E or 5 because of the ES. That said, I would still like to see it around 2,000 units a month consistently. However, to achieve that, Lexus needs to get more aggressive with ADVERTISING. I've never seen an ad for the GS 450h - the halo car of the GS lineup. When the car came out, the ads focused on the car's technology - not the luxury, the design, the quality, etc. I just remember seeing a GS 350 zip through refrigerators, washers and phones while the voiceover tried convincing me that Lexus was making progress.
Some days, I swear that Lexus themselves hate the GS.
With Yen low, they might be able to do that in the future.
But people need to understand... Lexus is here for profits.. not sales.
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We had pretty much the same discussion last month already. I want you to take ownership and create your own lists rather than shooting from the sidelines to poke at other members.
If there is any sort of misunderstanding that my request doesn't carry forward to this and future threads, pm me and lets discuss it.
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well GS450h sells like 50 per month... so they need to lower the price so it would be something like 5k above GS350... then it would sell 10x more.
With Yen low, they might be able to do that in the future.
But people need to understand... Lexus is here for profits.. not sales.
With Yen low, they might be able to do that in the future.
But people need to understand... Lexus is here for profits.. not sales.
And regarding sales vs. profits, i think theyd pretty much go hand in hand for the most part. Lots of sales = lots of profit. Unless of course they are making the GS for 48k each and can only pull off a a profit of about $500 dollars on each one.
GS sales seem so sporadic...some months it is at 1,800 - 2,000, others it is at 1,200 - 1,300. Up then down, up then down, etc.
GS will never sell like the E or 5 because of the ES. That said, I would still like to see it around 2,000 units a month consistently. However, to achieve that, Lexus needs to get more aggressive with ADVERTISING. I've never seen an ad for the GS 450h - the halo car of the GS lineup. When the car came out, the ads focused on the car's technology - not the luxury, the design, the quality, etc. I just remember seeing a GS 350 zip through refrigerators, washers and phones while the voiceover tried convincing me that Lexus was making progress.
Some days, I swear that Lexus themselves hate the GS.
GS will never sell like the E or 5 because of the ES. That said, I would still like to see it around 2,000 units a month consistently. However, to achieve that, Lexus needs to get more aggressive with ADVERTISING. I've never seen an ad for the GS 450h - the halo car of the GS lineup. When the car came out, the ads focused on the car's technology - not the luxury, the design, the quality, etc. I just remember seeing a GS 350 zip through refrigerators, washers and phones while the voiceover tried convincing me that Lexus was making progress.
Some days, I swear that Lexus themselves hate the GS.
The reason Lexus does great is due to that RX. That thing just will not stop selling lol. Going by the same trend, the NX will be a very welcome addition.