Infiniti Q50 thread
#932
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Well, I don't have many arguments with you on the new Fusion. IMO, it is one of the best Ford products in quite a while, and I found it pleasant to drive (though I thought that the late Ford Five Hundred and Mercury Montego were also quite well-done). I wouldn't consider them, though, in the "Luxury" class by American standards.
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The ride on a car will never satisfy everyone at all times . This is why manufacturers are slowly moving to adaptive suspensions. This way we can have out cake and eat it too !!!
This is the only true solution to a very old issue. Best solution for far
This is the only true solution to a very old issue. Best solution for far
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I can tell you from my experience with the AVS in the GS that the duality of the car is impressive. It rides great on normal, and gets much sportier and more firmly damped in Sport S+.
Lexus dropped the adaptive suspension in the ES because it was expensive and few people got it.
Lexus dropped the adaptive suspension in the ES because it was expensive and few people got it.
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I can tell you from my experience with the AVS in the GS that the duality of the car is impressive. It rides great on normal, and gets much sportier and more firmly damped in Sport S+.
Lexus dropped the adaptive suspension in the ES because it was expensive and few people got it.
Lexus dropped the adaptive suspension in the ES because it was expensive and few people got it.
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The AVS wasn't all that uncommon in the 3ES, but it was pretty rare in the 4ES. I have never seen a 4ES with AVS personally, I have seen a few on the forum, mostly out west. So, I wasn't surprised when it was dropped on the 5ES.
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Mostly from pressure from the auto press, who generally want "enthusiast", sport-oriented cars.
These companies want good publicity in the auto-magazines, and are pursuing the opinions of auto-journalists rather than those of the traditional buyers who kept them in business over many years.
These companies want good publicity in the auto-magazines, and are pursuing the opinions of auto-journalists rather than those of the traditional buyers who kept them in business over many years.
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i disagree with your statement because car makers want to sell cars, not just appease the 'auto press'.
while you and many others appreciate the smooth riding nature of old-school large american sedans with big tires on small rims, the opposite is true too, that many, not just younger buyers, appreciate competent handling, which doesn't automatically mean harsh/stiff. the former though, don't necessarily also appreciate the rolling sailboat handling of those old barges.
so while i can understand and appreciate your distain for low profile tires and their harsh ride over bumps, newer sophisticated actively controlled electronic suspensions have changed the game.
Perhaps nowhere has this been more costly than at Lincoln, which is suffering badly after dropping the Town Car. The MKS, which replaced it, except for its useful AWD option that the Town Car lacked, has been a joke....MKS sales have never even begun to approach those of the former Town Car.
here's that beauty.
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sure, cruising down the road on the interstate was 'comfy', but then at some point you have to take a corner and just about get seasick.
The Cadillac XTS, which replaced the DTS, except for its good interior fit/finish and somewhat more modern and efficient drivetrain, has also been a joke.
but back to the q50...
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I'm somebody that prefers ride bias to sportiness, thats why I drove the ES for so long. But, even I love the way my GS rides. Its got that glasslike ride down the highway I loved about the LS, while being fun to drive when I want fun to drive.
Suspension technology has improved, tire technology has improved, wheel technology has improved to where you can have a car thats firm in corners with larger diameter wheels that still rides great.
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Take our own CAR CHAT, for example. Look at how many comparo and review articles are copied and posted from auto-magazines. Each one (usually) produces dozens (and sometimes hundereds) of replies.
while you and many others appreciate the smooth riding nature of old-school large american sedans with big tires on small rims, the opposite is true too, that many, not just younger buyers, appreciate competent handling, which doesn't automatically mean harsh/stiff. the former though, don't necessarily also appreciate the rolling sailboat handling of those old barges.
so while I can understand and appreciate your distain for low profile tires and their harsh ride over bumps, newer sophisticated actively controlled electronic suspensions have changed the game.
Of course, to be honest, that 1969 Lincoln could barely steer around a football stadium...today's new Impala and LaCrosse, even with their (comparatively) smooth rides, would easily handle circles around it.
ford almost went out of business, and along with it lincoln. an 80s town car was an abomination. i drove a bunch of 'em. THE least space efficient vehicle i was ever in. the trunk might be huge on paper, but it had massive wheel well and spare tire 'boxes' making the space pretty useless. from the inside, the hood looked like a pool table stuck out front. very little interior cubby space. it was really a joke.
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