MM Full-Review: 2013 Cadillac XTS
#61
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Originally Posted by SW13GS
I would buy an Equus, I wouldn't even look at an Impala.
Last edited by mmarshall; 09-10-13 at 05:43 PM.
#62
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Ten years ago (or even 5), there was still a lot of people who wouldn't even look at any Hyundai or Kia....much less an Equus. Often, when people DO look, their opinions change. The Impala is still stuck with a cheap, rental-car image, when, in fact, with the new 2014 model, that is clearly no longer the case. While I respect your opinion, the fact that you won't even look at one seems to be reinforcing that outdated image....just like what was the case with Hyundai and Kia 5-10 years ago.
Owning the Jeep and the Lexus has given me an interesting perspective. Obviously, Lexus service is what it is, I'm very accustomed to it. Jeep service sucks. Its not that JEEP service sucks, its that servicing a midmarket car after being accustomed to servicing a luxury car is a VERY rude awakening. My Jeep was $40,000. The Overland and Summit are $50k, $53k. An SRT is $65k+. You still have to deal with crappy Jeep service though, no loaners (not even for week long warranty work), ugly grey tiled dealerships with tires stacked up everywhere. Plastic chairs.
The Equus is a "Hyundai", but they have created a great ownership experience in that they will come get it, drop of an Equus loaner, etc. Someone like me who appreciates luxury car service will feel at home with an Equus.
The Impala is going to be like the Jeep. Its just a completely different vehicle and ownership experience. You have that on top of the fact that the cars are just completely different, they don't drive similarly, they don't ride similarly, they aren't designed to be anything alike.
#63
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I agree, a lot of things have changed and I have fought that very argument. BUT...different vehicle categories still exist...and the Impala and Equus are just totally different vehicles. It has nothing to do with the fact that the Impala is a Chevy, its just a completely different car than what I would be looking for if I was shopping for an Equus.
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Since it's actually oldcajun's money at stake here (he's the one actually shopping, not us), I'm sure he'll spend it as wisely as he sees fit. I was only trying to give him some friendly advice....as I'm sure you were, too.
#64
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Maybe he should look at a VW Beetle and a Ford F150 while he's at it too. Pretty good value there and they're about as similar.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying I would not look at an Impala if I were shopping for that type of car...I would. I just would not consider an Impala alongside an LS or Equus.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying I would not look at an Impala if I were shopping for that type of car...I would. I just would not consider an Impala alongside an LS or Equus.
Last edited by SW17LS; 09-10-13 at 06:17 PM.
#65
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I don't think you can compare the cars enough to say the Impala is more car per dollar spent. I would buy an Equus, I wouldn't even look at an Impala.
To me, its like saying that a Ford Mustang is more car per dollar than a Honda Odyssey. The comparison at its core just doesn't make sense.
Glad we can agree on something!
To me, its like saying that a Ford Mustang is more car per dollar than a Honda Odyssey. The comparison at its core just doesn't make sense.
Glad we can agree on something!
The two cars really do not compare in any way.
#66
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Maybe he should look at a VW Beetle and a Ford F150 while he's at it too. Pretty good value there and they're about as similar.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying I would not look at an Impala if I were shopping for that type of car...I would. I just would not consider an Impala alongside an LS or Equus.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying I would not look at an Impala if I were shopping for that type of car...I would. I just would not consider an Impala alongside an LS or Equus.
The Impala starts at $26,800 while the Eqquus starts at $61,000. It would be unbelievable for anyone to honestly compare the two.
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#67
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The Impala is not stuck with a rental car perception.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 09-11-13 at 08:24 AM.
#68
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I dont see this at all. Genera Motors makes some really fine automobiles that even exceed my favorite Toyota and Lexus in many ways. The trucks are far superior to the Toyota Trucks, the ATS is a better car inside than out than the IS, and Cruze/Verano was a nicer car than the last Corolla. Do I want to buy a GM car? NOPE.
#69
Mike,
I took your advice and went back to the Chevy dealer and drove another Impala. I still think it rides better than the Caddy XTS, the interior is not very nice. Lots of fake wood and fake leather. It is also just a bit marginal in power. The Equus has the power thing under control and everything in the cabin is real! Nice leather, real wood and plush carpets. My real hope is that Lexus will provide this kind of smooth riding, quiet car again and that I can stay a Lexus customer, If not, I will go elsewhere for my next car(s). I'm old and only have a few new cars left so I want something I can love. I looked at a Tesla today and asked myself it I can live with it. The answer was "maybe"!
Steve
I took your advice and went back to the Chevy dealer and drove another Impala. I still think it rides better than the Caddy XTS, the interior is not very nice. Lots of fake wood and fake leather. It is also just a bit marginal in power. The Equus has the power thing under control and everything in the cabin is real! Nice leather, real wood and plush carpets. My real hope is that Lexus will provide this kind of smooth riding, quiet car again and that I can stay a Lexus customer, If not, I will go elsewhere for my next car(s). I'm old and only have a few new cars left so I want something I can love. I looked at a Tesla today and asked myself it I can live with it. The answer was "maybe"!
Steve
#70
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Mike,
I took your advice and went back to the Chevy dealer and drove another Impala. I still think it rides better than the Caddy XTS, the interior is not very nice. Lots of fake wood and fake leather. It is also just a bit marginal in power. The Equus has the power thing under control and everything in the cabin is real! Nice leather, real wood and plush carpets.
I took your advice and went back to the Chevy dealer and drove another Impala. I still think it rides better than the Caddy XTS, the interior is not very nice. Lots of fake wood and fake leather. It is also just a bit marginal in power. The Equus has the power thing under control and everything in the cabin is real! Nice leather, real wood and plush carpets.
My real hope is that Lexus will provide this kind of smooth riding, quiet car again and that I can stay a Lexus customer, If not, I will go elsewhere for my next car(s). I'm old and only have a few new cars left so I want something I can love.
I looked at a Tesla today and asked myself it I can live with it. The answer was "maybe"!
Steve
Steve
#71
I just drove the SRX testing some luxury SUVs
I believe this would have the same engine as the XTS, was not actually expecting to be impressed but overall was not bad as far as the engine response and transmission. It was quite well driving the car. Had a lot of bells and whistles.
What I was disapointed in was the CUE system, which was not to my liking. I actually like thr looks of the center stack it looks nice and futuristic, but did not care for the 'touch' controls and feedback rather than typical buttons and *****. I understand this is the iPod generation but give me a **** and button anyway over this too cute (CUE system).
I did not really dig into the CUE system, was there something specific you did not like aside from the input touch or swipe system? I could almost learn to accept the input, but was there much else you didn't like about the system? I didn't care for the nav map look which was somewhat isometric 3/4 view rather than the typical top down perspective.
I believe this would have the same engine as the XTS, was not actually expecting to be impressed but overall was not bad as far as the engine response and transmission. It was quite well driving the car. Had a lot of bells and whistles.
What I was disapointed in was the CUE system, which was not to my liking. I actually like thr looks of the center stack it looks nice and futuristic, but did not care for the 'touch' controls and feedback rather than typical buttons and *****. I understand this is the iPod generation but give me a **** and button anyway over this too cute (CUE system).
I did not really dig into the CUE system, was there something specific you did not like aside from the input touch or swipe system? I could almost learn to accept the input, but was there much else you didn't like about the system? I didn't care for the nav map look which was somewhat isometric 3/4 view rather than the typical top down perspective.
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#72
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I just drove the SRX testing some luxury SUVs
I believe this would have the same engine as the XTS, was not actually expecting to be impressed but overall was not bad as far as the engine response and transmission. It was quite well driving the car. Had a lot of bells and whistles.
I believe this would have the same engine as the XTS, was not actually expecting to be impressed but overall was not bad as far as the engine response and transmission. It was quite well driving the car. Had a lot of bells and whistles.
I haven't sampled an SRX for some time (did a full-review on one a few years ago)...but, from what I remember about it, the 3.6L setup in that vehicle, even with AWD, seemed to fell a little stronger than the 3.6L in the XTS.
What I was disapointed in was the CUE system, which was not to my liking. I actually like thr looks of the center stack it looks nice and futuristic, but did not care for the 'touch' controls and feedback rather than typical buttons and *****. I understand this is the iPod generation but give me a **** and button anyway over this too cute (CUE system).
I did not really dig into the CUE system, was there something specific you did not like aside from the input touch or swipe system? I could almost learn to accept the input, but was there much else you didn't like about the system? I didn't care for the nav map look which was somewhat isometric 3/4 view rather than the typical top down perspective.
I did not really dig into the CUE system, was there something specific you did not like aside from the input touch or swipe system? I could almost learn to accept the input, but was there much else you didn't like about the system? I didn't care for the nav map look which was somewhat isometric 3/4 view rather than the typical top down perspective.
#73
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I just drove the SRX testing some luxury SUVs
I believe this would have the same engine as the XTS, was not actually expecting to be impressed but overall was not bad as far as the engine response and transmission. It was quite well driving the car. Had a lot of bells and whistles.
What I was disapointed in was the CUE system, which was not to my liking. I actually like thr looks of the center stack it looks nice and futuristic, but did not care for the 'touch' controls and feedback rather than typical buttons and *****. I understand this is the iPod generation but give me a **** and button anyway over this too cute (CUE system).
I did not really dig into the CUE system, was there something specific you did not like aside from the input touch or swipe system? I could almost learn to accept the input, but was there much else you didn't like about the system? I didn't care for the nav map look which was somewhat isometric 3/4 view rather than the typical top down perspective.
I believe this would have the same engine as the XTS, was not actually expecting to be impressed but overall was not bad as far as the engine response and transmission. It was quite well driving the car. Had a lot of bells and whistles.
What I was disapointed in was the CUE system, which was not to my liking. I actually like thr looks of the center stack it looks nice and futuristic, but did not care for the 'touch' controls and feedback rather than typical buttons and *****. I understand this is the iPod generation but give me a **** and button anyway over this too cute (CUE system).
I did not really dig into the CUE system, was there something specific you did not like aside from the input touch or swipe system? I could almost learn to accept the input, but was there much else you didn't like about the system? I didn't care for the nav map look which was somewhat isometric 3/4 view rather than the typical top down perspective.
#74
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Those vehicles are all a good bit smaller than an SRX...
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