DaveGS4

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Agree on it being poorly written but opening says it was for something else, not this instance.

spwolf

you are defending this guy:


You gotta stop and wonder wtf are you arguing anymore.

And yeah, article was talking about his last arrest not this one.

rai

I think we need more strict laws, not 21 prior arrests, it should be three strikes and your out.

sphy1005

iTrader: (3)

This is what I think could've happened to start it all...
Range Rover is driving along and all the bikers start passing him. Bikes pass really close to one side and he swerves just a bit to to the other side where theres another biker. That biker thinks the suv is trying to hit him and gets his panties all bunched up. Typical road rage with the brake check, add the mob mentality and the driver of the bike goes crazy. But we probably won't know for sure what happened unless theres a video of the everything before the incident.

From the videos I've seen, a lot of those bikers got off easily. I would not have been dragged out of the car especially with my family inside. I would've gone backwards and forwards, left, right or whatever but nobody's getting around my family.

Extreme Dimensions

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Shout outs to Mr. Sergio Consuegra and his friend for intervening.

In a day and age where everyone would rather call the police or not intervene at all ("its not my problem, i dont want to get involved"), this man is a hero.

5gears-IS

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Great post but some of the people here think they know everything that went down prior to this mess. We all know what happened during the video but we don't know what happened BEFORE the video.

Something had to take place PRIOR to this mess that elevated this the way it did.

And for the millionth time I am not defending the bikers and I am not defending the driver ok!!

Joeb427

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I doubt the guy in the RR would start a problem with 30 bikers with his family in the SUV or by himself.
You have that theory and my theory is the one biker looked at this RR and possibly well to do Asian with his family and decided to play with the easy mark and started the whole thing..

5gears-IS

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It could have gone either way but i was not there and so far there is nothing to prove otherwise.

Could have started as road rage by either one.

Jewcano

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^And considering those bikers have harassed other people as well, I'm going to say it's 100% their fault. The world would be a better place without those kinds of people.

BNR34

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Let me help you understand that article:

In April, 2013:

Chance was busted and hit with gun and drug raps and faced more than 25 years’ prison.

But Brooklyn prosecutors dropped the gun rap when Chance was indicted. Under a sweetheart plea bargain, all the remaining felony drug charges were also dropped.

He wound up with a one-year conditional discharge for misdemeanor pot possession and was given 20 days of community service with a six-month suspension of his driver’s license

This time:

Chance is charged with gang assault, assault, criminal mischief, criminal possession of a weapon and unlawful imprisonment. He was ordered held in lieu $100,000 bond or $75,000 cash.

I8ABMR

between the prior record as well as what actually went down I find it very difficult to believe that anyone would say the RR driver was at fault. So happy this guy is going to get his

BNR34

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People who commit the same crime don't think it is a crime

piguy

It's obviously pointless arguing with you but I'm going to spell this out for anyone who else who might be on the fence:

The bikers are the ones who captured and controlled the video. They have footage of the minutes before the incident, and they have footage after the incident. However, they released the video with the beginning (part leading up to the accident) and end (notice how they conveniently left out the part with Lien getting beat) cut off because that is what put them (in their minds) in the best possible light.

If the Range Rover had done something to provoke the bikers, they would assuredly have either originally included that section in the video, or alternately released it at a later time, to try and help their case. But they haven't, so it obviously doesn't help them.

So either nothing happened before the video, and the bikers just wanted to get the Range Rover to stop, or they had just been harassing the RR for longer than they showed. It's tough to imagine any scenario in which the RR instigated it but the video hasn't been released yet.

bitkahuna

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right and the vast majority here disagree with you that the first part was the driver's fault. the rr driver with his wife and young child in the vehicle would have to be completely insane to mess with a criminal bike gang. and before you take exception to the criminal point, many were riding without licenses, or license plates and we know a couple had extensive criminal records. so, many had or were breaking the law. the cops were obviously after these guys anyway but somehow didn't stop this tragedy.

moderators have and will address any personal attacks.

i respectfully disagree. it looks to me like the bikes were cruising all over the road and were all around the rr and either rr driver did nothing, or was trying to pass or fall back or something to get out of the way, when (we know) one biker decided to brake check the rr causing rr to (imo unavoidably) hit the bike, and the rest ensued. again, i think the rr driver would have to have been out of his mind to mess with these riders.

well obviously the police have interviewed both sides and witnesses extensively by now and disagree with you that it was due to road rage by rr driver. or do you the police are conveniently ignoring road rage by the rr driver?

+1

+1

bitkahuna

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excellent point.

QED.