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Old 10-01-13, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by S2000toIS350
GS only did 1231 units

Do folks think it is a low inventory/model year change over thing
I bet so. Something as significant as 8AT is worth holding out.
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Originally Posted by S2000toIS350
GS only did 1231 units

Do folks think it is a low inventory/model year change over thing
probably those factors and an end to corp incentives maybe, plus many potential buyers bought in august so the prospect well was dryer in september.
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Jaguar Land Rover North America today reported September 2013 U.S. sales: Jaguar sales were 1,313 units, 31 percent up from 1,004 units in September 2012; Land Rover sales were 3,387 units, down 7 percent from 3,636 units in September 2012. Jaguar Land Rover North America September U.S. sales for both brands hit 4,700 units, a 1 percent increase from 4,640 units in September 2012.

Year to date through September, Jaguar Land Rover North America is up 16 percent, with Jaguar up 30 percent and Land Rover up 12 percent.

"Jaguar brand, led by our updated lineup of sedans and sports cars, continues to be 1 of the hottest brands in the business, with a 30 percent rise in September,” said Andy Goss, President, Jaguar Land Rover North America. “On the Land Rover side, the Range Rover and Range Rover Evoque continued their consistent growth pace this year, though overall sales were down for the month as we ramp up supply of the new Range Rover Sport to meet demand.”

*U.S. BRAND HIGHLIGHTS*

*Land Rover*

Range Rover Evoque was the growth leader for Land Rover in September, with an increase of 26 percent to 706 units from 559 units in September, 2012. Year to date, the Range Rover Evoque is up 31 percent.

Range Rover sales were 693 units, up 23 percent from 564 in September, 2012. Year to date, the Range Rover model is up 39 percent from 2012. In the 2013 J.D. Power 2013 U.S. APEAL Study, the Range Rover was the industry’s highest scoring model.

Land Rover's 2014 model year line-up features five models: The 240-hp 2.0 liter powered LR2 and Range Rover Evoque; the LR4 powered by the supercharged 340-hp V6; the Range Rover Sport and Range Rover, both available with the 340-hp V6 and 510-hp supercharged 5.0 liter V8 powertrains.

*Jaguar*

For the month of September, the Jaguar XF was the Jaguar volume and growth leader with 632 units sold, up 47 percent from 429 sales in September 2012. Year to date, the XF is up 34 percent.

The Jaguar XJ sales were 442 units, up 5 percent from 422 in September, 2012. All-wheel drive models now make up approximately half of all XJ sales.

Year to date, Jaguar sales are 12,447, up 30 percent from 9,550 sales, with both XJ and XF sales increasing on the appeal of new powertrains and All Wheel Drive.

For MY14 the transformed Jaguar U.S. lineup includes:
- Instinctive All Wheel Drive™ – Available on both the XF and XJ

- Supercharged 340hp V6 engines in the XF and XJ

- Turbocharged 240hp 4 cylinder engine available in the XF

- 8 Speed ZF® Automatic Transmissions on all XF and XJ models

- Auto Engine Stop/Start on select XF and XJ models
The 2014 Jaguar line-up features four models: The Jaguar XJ luxury sedan, powered by a 340-hp supercharged V6 in rear wheel or all wheel drive configuration, a 470-hp supercharged V8 or a 550-hp supercharged V8 in the XJR model. The Jaguar XF sports sedan powered by a 240-hp turbocharged 4 cylinder, a 340-hp supercharged V6 in rear wheel or all wheel drive configurations, a 470-hp supercharged V8, a 510-hp Supercharged V8 in the XFR, and a 550-hp Supercharged V8 in the XFR-S. The XK coupe and convertible grand touring cars are powered by either a 385-hp V8 or a 510-hp supercharged V8 in the XKR. Jaguar also offers its highest performance models ever, the 2014 Jaguar XKR-S coupe and convertible with a 550-hp supercharged V8. The 2014 MY Jaguar F-TYPE convertible comes in 3 variants, 340-hp F-TYPE, 380-hp F-TYPE S and 495-hp F-TYPE V8 S.
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Volvo Cars of North America, LLC, (VCNA) reported U.S. sales of 4,188 units, a 15.9 percent decrease versus September 2012. Year-to-date sales are down 6.6 percent over the 1st 9 months of 2012.

The S60 sports sedan was the top seller for the month with 1,545 units sold (up 4.1 percent year-over-year). The XC60 crossover finished the month right behind with 1,355 units sold (up 12.3 percent year-over-year).

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Models     September 2013     September 2012     %     Year To Date 2013     Year To Date 2012     %
S40     0     0     -     -     51     -
S60     1,545     1,577     -2.0 %     18,732     17,993     4.1 %
S80     0     200     -     -     2,642     -
S80     152     0     100.0 %     1,401     0     100.0 %
XC60     1,355     1,562     -13.3 %     15,441     13,750     12.3 %
XC70     361     438     -17.6 %     3,639     4,016     -9.4 %
XC90     456     783     -41.8 %     5,161     7,260     -28.9 %
C30     79     206     -61.7 %     1,269     2,173     -41.6 %
C70     240     211     13.7 %     2,550     3,741     -31.8 %
Total     4,188     4,977     -15.9 %     48,193     51,626     -6.6 

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Originally Posted by TSX69 via vtec.net
Verano 3,688 -8.8%
ILX 1,363 -14.7%; hybrid 108 -16.1%

CLA 2,310
CT 798 -27.4%
1series 468 -9.1%
A3 7 -99.1%

S60 1,545 -2%
Regal 1,300 -29.3%
TSX 1,294 -16.3%; wagon 141 -50.2%

3/4series 8,512 +10.1%
Cclass 6,389 -18.8%
A4 3,357 +28.8%
IS 3,201 +54.8%
ATS 2,739 +348.3%
Q50 2,367
G 1,777 -36.7%

ES 4,866 -19.3%
LaCrosse 3,952 -13.7%
MKZ 2,874 +11.6%
CTS 2,408 -22.4%
TL 1,102 -63%
S80 152

Eclass 5,647 +17%
5series 3,574 +12.1%
XTS 2,565 +2.4%
A6 1,682 -18.5%
GS 1,231 -8%
MKS 782 +10.3%
XF 532 +47%
M 370 -26%
RLX 311 +894.2%

7series 1,723 +271.3%
LS 761 +48.2%
A8 544 -1.3%
XJ 442 +5%
Sclass 387 -58.2%

Encore 3,206
X1 1,844 17.5%

Q5 3,268 +44.9%
RDX 3,022 +11.8%
GLK 2,387 -25.5%
X3 1,580 -47.9%
XC60 1,355 -13.3%
QX50 177 -30%

RX 7,601 +17.3%
X5 4,686 +21.7%
MDX 4,539 +5.2%
SRX 4,362 -6.4%
Enclave 3,477 -17.4%
Mclass 3,180 +30.4%
QX60 2,111 -6.2%
MKX 1,565 -25.8%
Q7 1,386 +31.9%
GX 753 -13.7%
XC90 -41.8%
QX70 328 -80.2%


X6 375 -38.7%
ZDX 17 -61.5%



Spark 2,355 +5.9%
500 2,126 -49%
Cooper 1,789 -.4%
Smart 625 -39.3%
iQ 287 -54.3%

Versa 8,776 +9.5%
Sonic 7,335 -2.5%
Fiesta 5,043 +28.5%
Accent 4,999
Fit 3,981 -7.1%; EV 35 +137.8%
Rio 2,695
Yaris 2,465 +139.7%
Golf 2,127 -34.6%
2 1,916 +153.4%

Corolla 23,251 +9.8%
Civic 22,983 +15.9%; hybrid 402 -11.4%
Elantra 19,691
Focus 16,733 -15.2%
Jetta 13,309 -9.8%
Cruze 12,730 -50.6%
3 8,646 -38.4%
Dart 7,922 +51%
Sentra 7,798 -16.6%
Impreza 4,622 -7.4%
Forte 4,618

Camry 31,871 +1.1%
Accord 25,176 -6.2%; PHEV 51
Altima 21,221 -13.2%
Fusion 19,972 +62.4%
Malibu 14,487 +29.5%
Sonata 13,872
Optima 11,647
200 9,583 -3%
Passat 7,900 -16.8%
Avenger 5,099 -41%
6 3,168 +125.8%
Legacy 2,847 -31%

Impala 11,462 -24.9%
Charger 8,713 +49%
300 5,036 +6%
Maxima 4,717 -17.5%
Avalon 4,514 +212.3%
Taurus 4,279 -9.5%
Azera 1,487
Cadenza 926

Prius 15,890 -8.8%
C-MAX 2,182 +125.2%
LEAF 1,953 +98.5%
Volt 1,766 -38.1%
Insight 299 +32.1%
CR-Z 264 -14.3%

Camaro 5,659 -0.2%
Mustang 4,420 -0.4%
Challenger 3,932 +22%
Genesis 2,926
FR-S 1,230 +18%
BRZ 704 +38.7%
370z 551 +26.4%
Miata 400 -20.8%

Soul 7,416
xB 1,252 -24.4%
Cube 283 -45%

OutBack 8,143 -23.1%
Venza 2,193 -43.6%
CrossTour 1,235 -37.2%
XC70 361 -17.6%

Escape 22,607 -2.3%
CR-V 21,439 +4.6%
Rav4 15,928 +25.5%
Equinox 15,443 -2.5%
Rogue 11,353 -6.2%
Forester 10,620 +75.1%
SantaFe 6,639
CX-5 6,280 +40.6%
Patriot 6,053 +12%
Compass 4,487 +27%
XV CrossTrek 3,536 +1,741.7%
Tiguan 2,406 +9.3%
Sportage 2,195

Grand Cherokee 14,906 +19%
Explorer 13,655 +1.5%
Pilot 9,659 +4.5%
HighLander 8,661 -13.8%
Edge 8,548 -20.6%
Sorento 7,849
Terrain 7,141 -4.6%
Journey 6,955 -9%
Acadia 5,656 -9.6%
PathFinder 5,537 +72.8%
Traverse 5,389 -5.2%
Murano 2,879 -21.9%
Tucson 2,849
CX-9 1,514 -24.3%
Tribeca 1,167 +8.2%
Touareg 658 -20.5%

Caravan 10,946 -19%
Town & Country 10,632 +4%
Sienna 9,306 +13.6%
Odyssey 7,714 -26.2%
Flex 1,661 +9.4%
Quest 996 -16.3%
Sedona 657
5 539 -35.2%
Routan 232 -71.8%
Notable-

1. Grand Cherokee, despite being expensive, is leading the sales charts!
2. I guess everyone who couldn't buy an S-class due to the production turnover bought a 7-series
3. MDX is still selling well
4. Caravan and Town & Country on top this month
5. Nissan Rogue is ancient and still outselling many newer models
6. Dodge Dart sales are continuing to improve, while the excellent Forte has yet to gain traction

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Old 10-02-13, 08:04 AM
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Not sure how the ILX is vs the CT when the A3 which is the CT's direct competitor in the list below it. ILX vs Verano is the battle, that is what the industry recognizes, they have gone head to head in comparisons. The RX and QX50 are not cute-utes either, they are mid size SUVs.

Outside those Lexus mistakes, solid list.
 
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Point 1, never having ridden in one, but I gotta say they really got the styling right on the Grand Cherokee. Its modern, tough looking, yet sort looks friendly enough for moms to drive. And the interior isn't bad either.
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Originally Posted by Blueprint
Not sure how the ILX is vs the CT when the A3 which is the CT's direct competitor in the list below it. ILX vs Verano is the battle, that is what the industry recognizes, they have gone head to head in comparisons. The RX and QX50 are not cute-utes either, they are mid size SUVs.

Outside those Lexus mistakes, solid list.
That guys always groups them weirdly. I missed the CT, RX, and QX50 mistakes. He originally had the ATS and IS grouped in with the CLA, 1-series, etc. group too but I moved those.
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
That guys always groups them weirdly. I missed the CT, RX, and QX50 mistakes. He originally had the ATS and IS grouped in with the CLA, 1-series, etc. group too but I moved those.
Gotcha, thanks sir...it takes a lot of time to group those things....but accuracy is important, thanks for the edits....

I can't believe you said the CLA was sold for 10 days
 
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Originally Posted by S2000toIS350
GS only did 1231 units

Do folks think it is a low inventory/model year change over thing
i don't know about inventory on the GS, but i think it's also about lexus pushing on the IS sales and the GS is now "on the side?
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Originally Posted by rominl
i don't know about inventory on the GS, but i think it's also about lexus pushing on the IS sales and the GS is now "on the side?
Unless they give the GS more power,it's going to go the way the last generation did.No legs.
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Unless they give the GS more power,it's going to go the way the last generation did.No legs.
you think power is a problem on the gs350? i have my doubt

for bmw, the 528 has 241hp, and the 535 has 302hp. yup, they are probably underrated but that's what on paper, and not to forget the weight of the car. for mb, the e350 has 302hp as well. (on a very funny look, on bmwusa.com the 5 series weight now says 5100lb. sounds very painful http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx)

the gs350 has 306hp.

so i am not sure if power is a problem on the gs. i personally think it has pretty adequate power. it's a debate that goes on for ages. i won't count on the day the gs sales can get close to the 5 and e, but looking at the gs sales itself, i think it has to do with the es (noticeable), marketing (major), and possible slightly lack of image (debatable). in some way i wonder how the lack of v8 (let alone a true amg / m fighter) has to do with it, not on sales number but from a image / status point of view. don't know the answer to that, but it's in the back of my head

it seems like lexus is trying to push pretty hard on the new IS right now. there are quite a few negative information i don't want to share, but i am interested in seeing how the IS sales number goes in the coming 3 months (basically the first 6 months of sales)
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Originally Posted by rominl
you think power is a problem on the gs350? i have my doubt

for bmw, the 528 has 241hp, and the 535 has 302hp. yup, they are probably underrated but that's what on paper, and not to forget the weight of the car. for mb, the e350 has 302hp as well. (on a very funny look, on bmwusa.com the 5 series weight now says 5100lb. sounds very painful http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx)

the gs350 has 306hp.

so i am not sure if power is a problem on the gs. i personally think it has pretty adequate power. it's a debate that goes on for ages. i won't count on the day the gs sales can get close to the 5 and e, but looking at the gs sales itself, i think it has to do with the es (noticeable), marketing (major), and possible slightly lack of image (debatable). in some way i wonder how the lack of v8 (let alone a true amg / m fighter) has to do with it, not on sales number but from a image / status point of view. don't know the answer to that, but it's in the back of my head

it seems like lexus is trying to push pretty hard on the new IS right now. there are quite a few negative information i don't want to share, but i am interested in seeing how the IS sales number goes in the coming 3 months (basically the first 6 months of sales)
Right, but the real issue with the GS is its interior room, particularly in the rear. Granted the 4GS has improved quite a bit from the 3GS in this regard but so has the competition. Most people buy midsized sedans for practicality, and the GS is simply noticeably more cramped than the E, 5, A6 and, of course, the ES, not to mention that the E, 5 and A6 all have folding rear seats. "Fun to drive" simply isn't high in priority for most people in the real world. Practicality is.
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Right, but the real issue with the GS is its interior room, particularly in the rear. Granted the 4GS has improved quite a bit from the 3GS in this regard but so has the competition. Most people buy midsized sedans for practicality, and the GS is simply noticeably more cramped than the E, 5, A6 and, of course, the ES, not to mention that the E, 5 and A6 all have folding rear seats. "Fun to drive" simply isn't high in priority for most people in the real world. Practicality is.
Do you jump around every month to find a way to beat up the GS? I just did lunch with 5 people..no one complained..the back seat is fine...

So now goalposts changed...used to be all about "Fun to drive" and now its about back seat room now that the GS drives sportiest?

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