Lexuslvr91

Half assed platform yet your rear end hasn't even set foot in the new Genesis which has received an extensive redesign with much better driving dynamics as well as an advanced AWD System.

Probably reversed-engineered? desperate much? Lincolnn and Acura are not in the financial position to introduce a RWD architecture so drill that into your biased head.

The theft is all in your head and you can gripe and complain all you want.

speedflex

Without getting into the Samsung v. Apple thing. (Personally I'm surrounded by apple products and like it that way). I kind of chuckle when I see folks toting around those huge mini-tablets, or humungophones around. It sort of defeats the purpose of having a compact devise doesn't it? There's something just ergonomically right about the iPhone, the weight and feel of it in the hand. If I wanted a tablet I'd buy a tablet.

LexFather

You can't get mad and tell someone they haven't driven the car and you have not either.

You can't tell people they are biased when you are biased Mr. Hyundai/Kia

So you can gripe and complain about Hyundai on a Lexus forum all you want.

No New Year's resolutions?

mordecai

Wow, not only was the bump super random, the Hyundai defense force has come out in conjunction. I'd say ClubLexus is a big target for these astroturfers.

mordecai

Not only does South Korea have a copy culture, they also have guerrilla brainwash culture:

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/51714...g-students.htm

http://www.accentu8ed.com/2012/01/co...hill_1484.html

Who can't forget the best example of Hyundai/Kia shilling in YEH/CP1 of TCL/AcuraZine.

And of course it's a state sponsored practice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VANK
Check out this side of Korea in this video:

Mr. Burns

Spyshots: BMW's next grand coupe leaked?



Almost everyone who saw that wouldn't question it wasn't a BMW before the Genesis.

This is really really REALLY bad.

Lexuslvr91

Funny you say BMWs NEXT grand coupe as in it looks like a newer generation BMW. Honestly I couldn't even complain about such a thing to be honest. However It was the MB CLS that the A7 copied and one could argue the rear quarters you posted have better cues of an A7 than any 6GC which still copied the CLS so the only thing you have proven so far is that everyone copies everyone else. Also may I say that the Genesis has successfully pulled off the German look. It's interesting because the German look weather blaand nor gorgous looks more expensive than not. I understand your hate but come on all you do is complain about Hyundai. Give it some sort of rest.

LexFather

The A7 only copied the CLS in it joining the "4 door coupe" ranks. The two vehicles share nothing visually, the A7 is an enlarged A5 Sportback we do not get here and both cars clearly use Audi's clear and coherent design language, the main difference that the C-pillar is curved compared to other Audi's.

Mr. Burns

I said "next" because they already have a 5 grand coupe (6 series) and a 4 grand coupe. If they didn't have either of those yet (especially the 5 grand coupe), the above pic could convincingly pass for a spyshot of one.

Now a Genesis has to be seen in person to determine how well they've copied the BMW bodywork (some of that surfacing isn't easy to pull off in manufacturing and corners may have been cut by Hyundai, we see this a lot in lower end cars that try to crib premium cars such as Mazdas and Lexuses). From these photos it looks like they're 95% there, then they would have successfully "pulled off the German look", though that isn't praise or surprising considering it's a copy.

The 6GC, A7, and CLS all share the same concept (4 door coupe), but each for the most part have their own unique design and body language. The same is absolutely untrue with the Genesis. Copying a concept such as "4 door coupe" or "LED headlights" or "big grill" is not the same as simply lifting the body language of another brand and shamelessly applying it to your own product. It's the same thing with earlier Samsung smart phones vs. the iPhone, and it's the same thing with the Genesis and BMWs.

hlee12

people still buy sony phones?

hlee12

i'm pretty much sure the brainwash culture is rampant in japan especially when it comes to their history education. they justify raping women, doing weirdo experiments. this was pretty big deal in china, taiwan and korea.

i think copying culture happens to most car companies. for hyundai copying culture happened from their existence to up until 5-6 years ago. because they are just an infant when it comes to car design. you can see hyundai and kia trying to search for the design identity. i think elantra was pretty successful case(even though I find it godawful). kia soul too. so they have mixture of good and bad case. i think veloster is somewhat original, but again it's ugly as a sin(eh, but i find many people liking them).

japanese car companies had a long history of copy culture IMO.


celica - wanted to be a stang


2000 GT - IMO 2000 GT is still the greatest japanese car design of all time. but still it was inspired by miura, opel GT, and many other cars. it was not the most original car design. but i still love it more than any other japanese car ever made.


can't really blame mazda for doing this. it helped mazda tremendously.


IMO miata is my 2nd favorite japanese car of all time. it was inspired by elan.


but companies grow out of it. whenever they get attacked being a 'copycat' they get sick of it. Lexus was once accused of copying MBs, but just look at where they are at right now. I command them to be bold and keep looking to make a design statement. bravo.

hlee12

hm. i think genesis sold relatively well. market is very small when it comes to buying a $40k+ car that doesn't have a luxury badge. it's a tough sell. i wouldn't buy genesis. not my cup of tea, and it doesn't have german badge.

LexBob2

Nice to know that no single country has a lock on weird/bad behavior. Not sure what all this has to do with the Genesis.

hlee12

you mean they have a family look? then yeah, that was the first thing i thought of.


tail light shape is very siimilar. it's definitely from elantra

hlee12

i've talked to chinese guys who are into car design. chinese copy to save money and to sell. in no way shape or form, they accept these blatant chinese copy, but the reality is that if it doesn't resemble lexus or whatever then people won't buy it. so basically they are selling knock off louis vuitton $50. it's the same mentality. 'hey guys! our Dong Feng is just like Lexus but 10 times cheaper!' that mentality. these car companies are in a business of making money and selling cars. they are desperate enough to just copy and keep it hush hush in house. they all dream to hire legit designers, open up legit design studios, and etc, but everything costs money. and even if they make something nice, chinese consumers won't buy it over nicer imports.

so they just kinda justify where they are at as a growing country. they know the better design culture will come down the road. they know they are unorganized with too many people, and still finding their own identity.

i would say it will take another 20 years or so for them to grow out of copying culture.