2015 Genesis Sedan Thread
01-02-14, 02:31 PM
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IMO, if you accuse hyundai for stealing the entire bodywork, then you have to say Lexus, MB, and many other manufacturers also committed the same crime in the past. You can't just single out hyundai.
lexus SC was inspired by audi TT. almost exact proportion. ls430 was inspired by S class - most will agree.
another one. IMO this is a trend.
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01-02-14, 02:41 PM
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the whole copying accusations are silly. everyone does it.
didn't audi have led drl's first, for example?
(now who cares)
didn't audi have led drl's first, for example?
(now who cares)
01-02-14, 02:43 PM
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01-02-14, 03:00 PM
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I have to agreed, and I am not a fan Hyundai nor do I plan on buying a Genesis. But Hyundai isn't hurting anyone here; just let them do their thing. If you don't like it than you don't have to buy it.
And if they are "copying" then they will just be hurting themselves. Luxury car buyers want the latest and freshness designs, and not recycled design cues from last years competitors' model.
And if they are "copying" then they will just be hurting themselves. Luxury car buyers want the latest and freshness designs, and not recycled design cues from last years competitors' model.
01-02-14, 03:34 PM
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01-02-14, 04:02 PM
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so what's your take on my examples above on 7 series/LS vw/mb hatchback?
IMO, if you accuse hyundai for stealing the entire bodywork, then you have to say Lexus, MB, and many other manufacturers also committed the same crime in the past. You can't just single out hyundai.
IMO, if you accuse hyundai for stealing the entire bodywork, then you have to say Lexus, MB, and many other manufacturers also committed the same crime in the past. You can't just single out hyundai.
As long as they keep copying their sales will never be much better than today, they have reached the limit of what they could do by copying and weak won.
01-02-14, 07:21 PM
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so what's your take on my examples above on 7 series/LS vw/mb hatchback?
IMO, if you accuse hyundai for stealing the entire bodywork, then you have to say Lexus, MB, and many other manufacturers also committed the same crime in the past. You can't just single out hyundai.
lexus SC was inspired by audi TT. almost exact proportion. ls430 was inspired by S class - most will agree.
another one. IMO this is a trend.
IMO, if you accuse hyundai for stealing the entire bodywork, then you have to say Lexus, MB, and many other manufacturers also committed the same crime in the past. You can't just single out hyundai.
lexus SC was inspired by audi TT. almost exact proportion. ls430 was inspired by S class - most will agree.
another one. IMO this is a trend.
The Genesis shows no unique Hyundai body language and largely takes what BMW has done and applies it to a different form factor.
Copying aside (which is IMO blatantly obvious, very likely intentional on Hyundai's part, and not worth debate), I'm wondering what the Genesis is trying to be. When Lexus first came out, they were going after "Japanese Mercedes", and that served them well for a long time. What is the Genesis? A Korean BMW? Aside from the bodywork, I doubt it has the credibility underneath. A Korean Mercedes? Definitely no. A Korean Lexus? Not since the Equus and last gen Genesis has Hyundai tried to be Lexus. A Korean Infiniti? Seems most likely. But no one really wants the real Japanese Infiniti, WTH is the point of a Korean one.
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01-02-14, 07:59 PM
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Lexus and BMW both have their own unique body design language. Lexus has L-finesse, and BMW has whatever the 2006 3 series debuted. Same goes for Hyundai and Lexus with regards to the Sonata.
The Genesis shows no unique Hyundai body language and largely takes what BMW has done and applies it to a different form factor.
Copying aside (which is IMO blatantly obvious, very likely intentional on Hyundai's part, and not worth debate), I'm wondering what the Genesis is trying to be. When Lexus first came out, they were going after "Japanese Mercedes", and that served them well for a long time. What is the Genesis? A Korean BMW? Aside from the bodywork, I doubt it has the credibility underneath. A Korean Mercedes? Definitely no. A Korean Lexus? Not since the Equus and last gen Genesis has Hyundai tried to be Lexus. A Korean Infiniti? Seems most likely. But no one really wants the real Japanese Infiniti, WTH is the point of a Korean one.
The Genesis shows no unique Hyundai body language and largely takes what BMW has done and applies it to a different form factor.
Copying aside (which is IMO blatantly obvious, very likely intentional on Hyundai's part, and not worth debate), I'm wondering what the Genesis is trying to be. When Lexus first came out, they were going after "Japanese Mercedes", and that served them well for a long time. What is the Genesis? A Korean BMW? Aside from the bodywork, I doubt it has the credibility underneath. A Korean Mercedes? Definitely no. A Korean Lexus? Not since the Equus and last gen Genesis has Hyundai tried to be Lexus. A Korean Infiniti? Seems most likely. But no one really wants the real Japanese Infiniti, WTH is the point of a Korean one.
01-02-14, 08:43 PM
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i could not care less who designed and builds a given vehicle, or where it is built. i wouldn't have bought a former east-german 'trabant', or a former yugoslavian 'yugo', not because they were from those places, but because they were junk.
and while designs may be connected to some national identity/culture, there's so many exceptions. it's easy to forget that bmw's giant design change in recent years came from an american designer, chris bangle, and a german designer (formerly with audi), peter schreyer, now works for kia!
we drool over range rovers here, a former british company, which for a while was owned by bmw, with bmw engines, and now owned by an indian company.
not many know that gm supplied all the auto transmissions for bmws for a looong time (may still do).
it's a global market, and may the best vehicles win, wherever they're designed and built.
01-02-14, 09:36 PM
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in some people's eyes, they never will. sorry to say it's a subtle bigoted attitude.
i could not care less who designed and builds a given vehicle, or where it is built. i wouldn't have bought a former east-german 'trabant', or a former yugoslavian 'yugo', not because they were from those places, but because they were junk.
and while designs may be connected to some national identity/culture, there's so many exceptions. it's easy to forget that bmw's giant design change in recent years came from an american designer, chris bangle, and a german designer (formerly with audi), peter schreyer, now works for kia!
we drool over range rovers here, a former british company, which for a while was owned by bmw, with bmw engines, and now owned by an indian company.
not many know that gm supplied all the auto transmissions for bmws for a looong time (may still do).
it's a global market, and may the best vehicles win, wherever they're designed and built.
i could not care less who designed and builds a given vehicle, or where it is built. i wouldn't have bought a former east-german 'trabant', or a former yugoslavian 'yugo', not because they were from those places, but because they were junk.
and while designs may be connected to some national identity/culture, there's so many exceptions. it's easy to forget that bmw's giant design change in recent years came from an american designer, chris bangle, and a german designer (formerly with audi), peter schreyer, now works for kia!
we drool over range rovers here, a former british company, which for a while was owned by bmw, with bmw engines, and now owned by an indian company.
not many know that gm supplied all the auto transmissions for bmws for a looong time (may still do).
it's a global market, and may the best vehicles win, wherever they're designed and built.
- but I doubt if you can find an old Elantra owners club. Haiyondie is going to remain a disposable, pretentious car company until they earn some heritage - and bluntly copying others is not the way to do it.
01-02-14, 10:01 PM
#568
Truthfully no, but it's not just Hyundai. Lexus along with other Japanese and American automakers continue to suffer negative social views despite some great strides of late. There is little parity between European automakers and everyone else when it comes to social view. Suffice to say Euro's get the nod and the rest, well.. Unequal Automakers
01-02-14, 10:23 PM
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Lexus and BMW both have their own unique body design language. Lexus has L-finesse, and BMW has whatever the 2006 3 series debuted. Same goes for Hyundai and Lexus with regards to the Sonata.
The Genesis shows no unique Hyundai body language and largely takes what BMW has done and applies it to a different form factor.
Copying aside (which is IMO blatantly obvious, very likely intentional on Hyundai's part, and not worth debate), I'm wondering what the Genesis is trying to be. When Lexus first came out, they were going after "Japanese Mercedes", and that served them well for a long time. What is the Genesis? A Korean BMW? Aside from the bodywork, I doubt it has the credibility underneath. A Korean Mercedes? Definitely no. A Korean Lexus? Not since the Equus and last gen Genesis has Hyundai tried to be Lexus. A Korean Infiniti? Seems most likely. But no one really wants the real Japanese Infiniti, WTH is the point of a Korean one.
The Genesis shows no unique Hyundai body language and largely takes what BMW has done and applies it to a different form factor.
Copying aside (which is IMO blatantly obvious, very likely intentional on Hyundai's part, and not worth debate), I'm wondering what the Genesis is trying to be. When Lexus first came out, they were going after "Japanese Mercedes", and that served them well for a long time. What is the Genesis? A Korean BMW? Aside from the bodywork, I doubt it has the credibility underneath. A Korean Mercedes? Definitely no. A Korean Lexus? Not since the Equus and last gen Genesis has Hyundai tried to be Lexus. A Korean Infiniti? Seems most likely. But no one really wants the real Japanese Infiniti, WTH is the point of a Korean one.
01-03-14, 12:32 AM
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There it is.
Truthfully no, but it's not just Hyundai. Lexus along with other Japanese and American automakers continue to suffer negative social views despite some great strides of late. There is little parity between European automakers and everyone else when it comes to social view. Suffice to say Euro's get the nod and the rest, well.. Unequal Automakers
Truthfully no, but it's not just Hyundai. Lexus along with other Japanese and American automakers continue to suffer negative social views despite some great strides of late. There is little parity between European automakers and everyone else when it comes to social view. Suffice to say Euro's get the nod and the rest, well.. Unequal Automakers
actually even for germans, i think audi saw something similar and for a while people called them copycats of bmw as well. in a way companies just have to work hard to prove themselves. same happened to lexus back in the 90s, and look where they are now. right now it's hyundai, i am in no way saying it will be lexus at all, but i just like to keep an open mind