How much power is the 3AE-FTE gonna have?
11-15-13, 04:07 PM
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11-15-13, 06:51 PM
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Not very optomistic it will be competitive. I believe Hyundai set the bar for their 2.0T and I doubt Toyota will beat it: The Theta-II engine produces 274 horsepower (204 kW) and 269 lb·ft (365 N·m) of torque while achieving an efficiency rating of 34 mpg-
These claims of 210-250hp really, is that all you guys want? Toyota did that in the 3S-GTE in 1990 - 1997. Surely in 23 years with all the new direct injection, electronics advances, variable timing, dual scroll turbos, ball bearing turbos, they should be able to top their wildly reliable 3S-GTE.
The 3S-GTE found in the MR2 Turbo and Celica All-Trac lives on in dune buggies, san rails, and other applications to this day.
I don't understand why manufacturers are going backward, Audi does it too. Their 2.0T puts out around 200hp yet my "old" Audi 1.8T puts out 225hp.
These claims of 210-250hp really, is that all you guys want? Toyota did that in the 3S-GTE in 1990 - 1997. Surely in 23 years with all the new direct injection, electronics advances, variable timing, dual scroll turbos, ball bearing turbos, they should be able to top their wildly reliable 3S-GTE.
The 3S-GTE found in the MR2 Turbo and Celica All-Trac lives on in dune buggies, san rails, and other applications to this day.
I don't understand why manufacturers are going backward, Audi does it too. Their 2.0T puts out around 200hp yet my "old" Audi 1.8T puts out 225hp.
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11-15-13, 07:27 PM
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Not very optomistic it will be competitive. I believe Hyundai set the bar for their 2.0T and I doubt Toyota will beat it: The Theta-II engine produces 274 horsepower (204 kW) and 269 lb·ft (365 N·m) of torque while achieving an efficiency rating of 34 mpg-
These claims of 210-250hp really, is that all you guys want? Toyota did that in the 3S-GTE in 1990 - 1997. Surely in 23 years with all the new direct injection, electronics advances, variable timing, dual scroll turbos, ball bearing turbos, they should be able to top their wildly reliable 3S-GTE.
The 3S-GTE found in the MR2 Turbo and Celica All-Trac lives on in dune buggies, san rails, and other applications to this day.
I don't understand why manufacturers are going backward, Audi does it too. Their 2.0T puts out around 200hp yet my "old" Audi 1.8T puts out 225hp.
These claims of 210-250hp really, is that all you guys want? Toyota did that in the 3S-GTE in 1990 - 1997. Surely in 23 years with all the new direct injection, electronics advances, variable timing, dual scroll turbos, ball bearing turbos, they should be able to top their wildly reliable 3S-GTE.
The 3S-GTE found in the MR2 Turbo and Celica All-Trac lives on in dune buggies, san rails, and other applications to this day.
I don't understand why manufacturers are going backward, Audi does it too. Their 2.0T puts out around 200hp yet my "old" Audi 1.8T puts out 225hp.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/specs.html
Camry V6 is not only considerably faster than Sonata 2.0T, but also gets better real life MPG.
EPA MPG tests are worthless when gamed by manufacturers like Hyundai.
I would hope that real life performance of Toyota 2.0t is nothing like Hyundai's.
They could give us either fast engine with still-better than V6 MPG.
Or 200hp engine that gets 30 MPG in real life.
If they end up with 23 MPG and 7s 0-60 like in Sonata, then it is worthless.
I hope they get something like 7s 0-60 and 30+ MPG for 2.0t in car like Camry.
11-15-13, 07:45 PM
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The reliability information in the current Consumer Reports shows the Hyundai & Kia's with the 2.0t engine have all fallen to Below Average. It included Sonata, Genesis Coupe and Optima.
Several Ford models with the 2.0 Eco Boost have fallen too.
Several Ford models with the 2.0 Eco Boost have fallen too.
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11-15-13, 08:22 PM
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I think its a little sad that some don't even expect Lexus to come out with a class leading engine.
Motortrend tested the A4 along with other sport sedans in the class and it weighed in at 3710 lbs so that's my fault because I was thinking of the heavier A4 hatch/allroad.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
Still a 3700 lb car with 211 hp at the time rushing to 60 in 5.8 sec is bewildering.
Motortrend tested the A4 along with other sport sedans in the class and it weighed in at 3710 lbs so that's my fault because I was thinking of the heavier A4 hatch/allroad.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
Still a 3700 lb car with 211 hp at the time rushing to 60 in 5.8 sec is bewildering.
I do see the same people *****ing about the IS 250 over and over so no matter what Lexus does they won't be pleased.
Honestly who cares, it's going to sell, it will be a good engine and that is that. Let the people hate and move goal posts on the internet.
11-15-13, 10:50 PM
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Realistically you should be changing filter+oil every 3000 miles on a turbo car.
The average person doesn't even know the definition of an oil change. Let alone care about it.
This is why N/A Toyota engines such as the 1.8L in the Corolla are so reliable. They can take a beating and they generally run for ever.
The average person doesn't even know the definition of an oil change. Let alone care about it.
This is why N/A Toyota engines such as the 1.8L in the Corolla are so reliable. They can take a beating and they generally run for ever.
11-16-13, 12:53 AM
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Realistically you should be changing filter+oil every 3000 miles on a turbo car.
The average person doesn't even know the definition of an oil change. Let alone care about it.
This is why N/A Toyota engines such as the 1.8L in the Corolla are so reliable. They can take a beating and they generally run for ever.
The average person doesn't even know the definition of an oil change. Let alone care about it.
This is why N/A Toyota engines such as the 1.8L in the Corolla are so reliable. They can take a beating and they generally run for ever.
.The power figures on Hyundai's turbo engine are overhyped. Fact. That has a poor overall power curve.
The EPA fuel economy figures for Hyundai's turbo engine are highly misleading and overstated. Real-world fuel economy is much worse than the EPA figures. Fact
Hyundai's turbo engine has well-known long-term reliability and durability problems. Fact
The last time Toyota participated in the turbo game, they were world famous for the overall quality, reliability, and engineering that their turbo engines had.
One of the most famous Japanese engines in the world, and one of the most famous turbo engines in the world, the 2JZ-GTE is a Toyota design. Another highly famous turbo engine, the 3S-GTE, is also a Toyota design.
Those Toyota engines back in their day had extremely competitive power ratings, fuel economy ratings, and were class-leading in quality, reliability, and engineering.
It would be wise not to underestimate Toyota's future powertrains. You can be sure that Toyota's upcoming turbo engines will have extremely competitive, if not class-leading power ratings on paper, fuel economy, excellent powerbands and torque curves, and of course the reliability and durability that Toyota is known for.
Toyota's engines won't be some slapped-together poorly engineered Frankenstein engines borrowing parts from several automakers like the Hyundai turbo.
11-16-13, 02:06 AM
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Interesting how much you defend Hyundai here .
The power figures on Hyundai's turbo engine are overhyped. Fact. That has a poor overall power curve.
The EPA fuel economy figures for Hyundai's turbo engine are highly misleading and overstated. Real-world fuel economy is much worse than the EPA figures. Fact
Hyundai's turbo engine has well-known long-term reliability and durability problems. Fact
The last time Toyota participated in the turbo game, they were world famous for the overall quality, reliability, and engineering that their turbo engines had.
One of the most famous Japanese engines in the world, and one of the most famous turbo engines in the world, the 2JZ-GTE is a Toyota design. Another highly famous turbo engine, the 3S-GTE, is also a Toyota design.
Those Toyota engines back in their day had extremely competitive power ratings, fuel economy ratings, and were class-leading in quality, reliability, and engineering.
It would be wise not to underestimate Toyota's future powertrains. You can be sure that Toyota's upcoming turbo engines will have extremely competitive, if not class-leading power ratings on paper, fuel economy, excellent powerbands and torque curves, and of course the reliability and durability that Toyota is known for.
Toyota's engines won't be some slapped-together poorly engineered Frankenstein engines borrowing parts from several automakers like the Hyundai turbo.
.The power figures on Hyundai's turbo engine are overhyped. Fact. That has a poor overall power curve.
The EPA fuel economy figures for Hyundai's turbo engine are highly misleading and overstated. Real-world fuel economy is much worse than the EPA figures. Fact
Hyundai's turbo engine has well-known long-term reliability and durability problems. Fact
The last time Toyota participated in the turbo game, they were world famous for the overall quality, reliability, and engineering that their turbo engines had.
One of the most famous Japanese engines in the world, and one of the most famous turbo engines in the world, the 2JZ-GTE is a Toyota design. Another highly famous turbo engine, the 3S-GTE, is also a Toyota design.
Those Toyota engines back in their day had extremely competitive power ratings, fuel economy ratings, and were class-leading in quality, reliability, and engineering.
It would be wise not to underestimate Toyota's future powertrains. You can be sure that Toyota's upcoming turbo engines will have extremely competitive, if not class-leading power ratings on paper, fuel economy, excellent powerbands and torque curves, and of course the reliability and durability that Toyota is known for.
Toyota's engines won't be some slapped-together poorly engineered Frankenstein engines borrowing parts from several automakers like the Hyundai turbo.
Class leading everything. They were leading the game. Today they're arguably not even trying to rejoin the game. I for one hope they get back to how they used to be.
The problem is that today Toyota and Lexus are not centralised. Back in 90s Toyota Japan were the commander kings. They controlled the design, engineering and marketing of their product.
Today Toyota is a bit too de-centralised. And this affects the end product.
11-16-13, 04:53 AM
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Cp1/yeh welcome to reality. I don't see people on the internetz crying and moaning he base a4 or a6 is fwd with a cvt with 210hp or the 320 has 180 hp.
I do see the same people *****ing about the IS 250 over and over so no matter what Lexus does they won't be pleased.
Honestly who cares, it's going to sell, it will be a good engine and that is that. Let the people hate and move goal posts on the internet.
I do see the same people *****ing about the IS 250 over and over so no matter what Lexus does they won't be pleased.
Honestly who cares, it's going to sell, it will be a good engine and that is that. Let the people hate and move goal posts on the internet.
11-16-13, 05:08 AM
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Yes I totally agree with you. And that's how Toyota used to roll in the 90s
Class leading everything. They were leading the game. Today they're arguably not even trying to rejoin the game. I for one hope they get back to how they used to be.
The problem is that today Toyota and Lexus are not centralised. Back in 90s Toyota Japan were the commander kings. They controlled the design, engineering and marketing of their product.
Today Toyota is a bit too de-centralised. And this affects the end product.
Class leading everything. They were leading the game. Today they're arguably not even trying to rejoin the game. I for one hope they get back to how they used to be.
The problem is that today Toyota and Lexus are not centralised. Back in 90s Toyota Japan were the commander kings. They controlled the design, engineering and marketing of their product.
Today Toyota is a bit too de-centralised. And this affects the end product.
Today best selling cars are Prius and Prius c which combined outsell rest of the Toyota lineup (50+ cars).
Japanese certainly dont buy big hp engines anymore, their market has moved.
11-16-13, 05:11 AM
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Realistically you should be changing filter+oil every 3000 miles on a turbo car.
The average person doesn't even know the definition of an oil change. Let alone care about it.
This is why N/A Toyota engines such as the 1.8L in the Corolla are so reliable. They can take a beating and they generally run for ever.
The average person doesn't even know the definition of an oil change. Let alone care about it.
This is why N/A Toyota engines such as the 1.8L in the Corolla are so reliable. They can take a beating and they generally run for ever.
11-16-13, 06:07 AM
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11-16-13, 07:50 AM
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improving from what though. By definition, more components running harder is going to be less reliable and/or require more service. If turbo really was better overall, all manufacturers would be using it. This turbo trend coming out is due to the CAFE standards