View Poll Results: What name should Toyota use for the production Toyota FT-1?
Supra gets my vote!
129
84.31%
I don't know, but its time for a new name.
24
15.69%
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Toyota Supra / FT-1
#196
#201
Thanks for posting that Vh, I have been looking for concepts and drawings of the MK4 Supra for a while and could not find much, when I was in the market for a Mark 4 I ordered back issues of Sports Car International with reviews on the Supra and a book on the Supra but they still did not have all those drawings, models, and concepts.
#202
Wow, great history! In picture 1 top left in red, that looks like it could be a concept drawing for the Porsche carerra gt. In picture 2 concept A top picture, the front looks just like a Saturn sc2. Also that same concept A mixed with concept B's side profile looks like it could be a concept for the current GTR. Insane! This is a perfect example of the old saying, there's nothing new under the sun.
Last edited by j three; 01-18-14 at 03:40 AM.
#203
Toyota: Out with FJ, in with FT-1 - The Lohdown
Toyota Enthusiast, its time to do some lobbying!!!
http://blogs.motortrend.com/1403_toy...e_lohdown.html
Set aside the fact that concept cars like the Toyota FT-1 never make it to production with all of their promises intact. There still is strong evidence to suggest that our March 2013 print issue cover car is merely a design study, never destined for serial production. After all, Toyota doesn’t need it. It can clearly continue to rack up impressive sales figures without a true sports car in its lineup beyond the Scion FR-S.
Toyota’s most recent numbers show it leading all U.S. automakers in retail sales, ending the year up 7 percent overall amid a rebounding economy. The only Toyota model with negative sales for the year was the Venza. The success comes on the backs of vehicles such as the segment-leading Camry (which sold 408,000 units in 2013), Corolla, and RAV4—a trio of best-sellers we have often accused of being bland and boring. And let’s not even talk about the success of the Prius.
So why would Toyota invert the formula of high volume and critical reviews for low volume and enthusiast acclaim? Because Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda has stated repeatedly that the brand needs to assert its sporting credentials, and Toyota Motor Sales (the U.S. operation) already has the blueprint for success.
Back in 2003, in the same Detroit convention hall that hosted the debut of the FT1, Toyota rolled out the FJ concept (shown below), a retro off-roader that received such overwhelming critical and public acclaim, it was rushed into production with only minor changes.
As with the FT-1, the FJ concept was penned in California, at Toyota’s Calty Design Center. The FJ concept traded heavily on the styling cues of a legendary Toyota (the FJ40 Land Cruiser), and made it to production with many of the icon’s core values intact as well. The resulting FJ Cruiser debuted in 2005, and not only looked badass, but quickly became the must-have 4x4 in the segment for a spell. It catapulted Toyota back into direct competition with Jeep, capturing wannabe and hard-core enthusiasts alike and creating its own cottage industry in the aftermarket. The FJ Cruiser goes away after the 2014 model year with no update in sight, but it remains a compelling tale of how to authentically and credibly mass-market a vehicle.
With the FT-1, Toyota is poised for such success once again. It has the blueprints from the FJ and an icon in the Supra. To this day, mention the Supra and a certain subset of the motoring public gets weepy for those early Japanese imports that offered high technology, fun, and reliability in a shapely, reasonably priced, rear-drive package. Sure, mission creep bloated the last-generation Supra beyond sustainability, but it still holds near-mythological status in pockets of the world from the Emirates to Encino.
Toyota USA does not need to develop a business case for another low-volume seller, which is what the FJ Cruiser was and a production FT-1 would likely be. It can get along just fine peddling its Camrys, Corollas, and RAV4s to the masses that buy them.
But if it wants to bring back the sporting excitement that Akio demands, it should start with a production version of the FT-1. For that to happen, you have to love the concept and let Toyota know. Do you? If so, let us know in the comments below.
Toyota’s most recent numbers show it leading all U.S. automakers in retail sales, ending the year up 7 percent overall amid a rebounding economy. The only Toyota model with negative sales for the year was the Venza. The success comes on the backs of vehicles such as the segment-leading Camry (which sold 408,000 units in 2013), Corolla, and RAV4—a trio of best-sellers we have often accused of being bland and boring. And let’s not even talk about the success of the Prius.
So why would Toyota invert the formula of high volume and critical reviews for low volume and enthusiast acclaim? Because Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda has stated repeatedly that the brand needs to assert its sporting credentials, and Toyota Motor Sales (the U.S. operation) already has the blueprint for success.
Back in 2003, in the same Detroit convention hall that hosted the debut of the FT1, Toyota rolled out the FJ concept (shown below), a retro off-roader that received such overwhelming critical and public acclaim, it was rushed into production with only minor changes.
As with the FT-1, the FJ concept was penned in California, at Toyota’s Calty Design Center. The FJ concept traded heavily on the styling cues of a legendary Toyota (the FJ40 Land Cruiser), and made it to production with many of the icon’s core values intact as well. The resulting FJ Cruiser debuted in 2005, and not only looked badass, but quickly became the must-have 4x4 in the segment for a spell. It catapulted Toyota back into direct competition with Jeep, capturing wannabe and hard-core enthusiasts alike and creating its own cottage industry in the aftermarket. The FJ Cruiser goes away after the 2014 model year with no update in sight, but it remains a compelling tale of how to authentically and credibly mass-market a vehicle.
With the FT-1, Toyota is poised for such success once again. It has the blueprints from the FJ and an icon in the Supra. To this day, mention the Supra and a certain subset of the motoring public gets weepy for those early Japanese imports that offered high technology, fun, and reliability in a shapely, reasonably priced, rear-drive package. Sure, mission creep bloated the last-generation Supra beyond sustainability, but it still holds near-mythological status in pockets of the world from the Emirates to Encino.
Toyota USA does not need to develop a business case for another low-volume seller, which is what the FJ Cruiser was and a production FT-1 would likely be. It can get along just fine peddling its Camrys, Corollas, and RAV4s to the masses that buy them.
But if it wants to bring back the sporting excitement that Akio demands, it should start with a production version of the FT-1. For that to happen, you have to love the concept and let Toyota know. Do you? If so, let us know in the comments below.
#205
Lexus RC-F has been priced at $71k. So Mr. Kevin Hunter price range at $50k-$60 for a new "Supra" sounds right.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-...hread-125.html
RC350: $45,500
RC350 + Nav: $49,100
RC350 F Sport: $51,100
RC350 Luxury: $53,000
RC350 F Sport Plus: $56,000
RC F Performance: $71,500
RC F Carbon: $75,500
RC350 + Nav: $49,100
RC350 F Sport: $51,100
RC350 Luxury: $53,000
RC350 F Sport Plus: $56,000
RC F Performance: $71,500
RC F Carbon: $75,500
#208
There has been some confusion about the numbers from GT6. (If it was the actually concept car or of the car minus the 10% that was added to give the car a stronger stage presence).
If I did my math right. Here are the number - 10%
Toyota FT-1 Concept (From GT6)
Length- 184.05 in
Width- 77.55 in
Height: 48.22 in
Wheelbase: 107.87 in
Toyota FT-1 (10% less)
Length- 165.64 in
Width- 69.3 in
Height: 43.39 in
Wheelbase: 97.08 in
MK4 Toyota Supra
Length: 177.8 in
Width: 71.3 in
Height: 49.8 in
Wheelbase: 100.4 in
Lexus RC350
Length: 185 in
Width: 72 in
Height: 55 in
Wheelbase: 107 in
Toyota 86
Length: 166.9 in
Width: 69.9 in
Height: 50.6 in
Wheelbase : 101.2 in
The new numbers would make it shorter than the Toyota 86. So I think the original set of numbers are of what the car would be in real life if that makes any sense.
If I did my math right. Here are the number - 10%
Toyota FT-1 Concept (From GT6)
Length- 184.05 in
Width- 77.55 in
Height: 48.22 in
Wheelbase: 107.87 in
Toyota FT-1 (10% less)
Length- 165.64 in
Width- 69.3 in
Height: 43.39 in
Wheelbase: 97.08 in
MK4 Toyota Supra
Length: 177.8 in
Width: 71.3 in
Height: 49.8 in
Wheelbase: 100.4 in
Lexus RC350
Length: 185 in
Width: 72 in
Height: 55 in
Wheelbase: 107 in
Toyota 86
Length: 166.9 in
Width: 69.9 in
Height: 50.6 in
Wheelbase : 101.2 in
The new numbers would make it shorter than the Toyota 86. So I think the original set of numbers are of what the car would be in real life if that makes any sense.