View Poll Results: What name should Toyota use for the production Toyota FT-1?
Supra gets my vote!
129
84.31%
I don't know, but its time for a new name.
24
15.69%
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Toyota Supra / FT-1
02-08-18, 08:43 AM
#1141
Hopefully they have something to remedy the lack of halo-type performance and former enthusiast abilities in the works. I would imagine there's a full M variant Z5 in the works, beyond just the mentioned M40i. That could bring with it a true King Supra. Fingers crossed....
02-08-18, 09:38 AM
#1142
This is going to be a total disappointment, they should name it a Celica, not Supra. It is essentially a Toyota 3 series/Z5 in a different body, no way it will come close to competing with a Corvette or 911 turbo like the last one did. A real Supra would have been based on the LC500 with a shape like it and outperform it, not based on a low end BMW roadster with BMW 4 and 6 cylinders.
I'm a little disappointed also (more of not having high hopes), not mainly b/c of the hp ratings, but it's a bmw underneath with different body panels and slapping on a toyota emblem.
I may be in the minority, but I don't need a GTR killer hp and price it out of the stratosphere or to be anemic either since it's expected to be heavy (somewhere around the sub 4k pound).
Until the final reveal at Geneva at the end of the month, that's when we'll know for sure so I'm keeping my hopes up...
02-08-18, 10:59 AM
#1143
Lexus Test Driver
At least the Z4 M40i model will have 380hp but the Supra will top out at 335hp.
Both Supra and Z4 will be Automatic only......im really confused at the target market.
Also Toyota basically has contributed zero to this car's development except for $$$$$.
All parts, switches, electric, engines, trans is BMW!
Having said all that - the car should still be fast with 0-60 in high 3s for the 6cyl.
The M240i with this engine is low 4s and Supra should weigh 350-500lb less.
Lack of a manual though is a BIG mistake, didnt they learn anything from the new NSX launch.
Both Supra and Z4 will be Automatic only......im really confused at the target market.
Also Toyota basically has contributed zero to this car's development except for $$$$$.
All parts, switches, electric, engines, trans is BMW!
Having said all that - the car should still be fast with 0-60 in high 3s for the 6cyl.
The M240i with this engine is low 4s and Supra should weigh 350-500lb less.
Lack of a manual though is a BIG mistake, didnt they learn anything from the new NSX launch.
Last edited by RNM GS3; 02-08-18 at 11:04 AM.
02-08-18, 11:34 AM
#1144
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
yeah but will it be reliable? 
02-08-18, 11:52 AM
#1145
Pole Position
NOPE.
Toyota should distance itself as far as it can from this car. Not worthy of the Supra name whatsoever. Blech.
I can imagine the poor techs in the Toyota service departments trying to figure out this car. It's entirely BMW. Toyota will need to hire ex-BMW techs or side hire current ones to work on this thing.
Toyota should distance itself as far as it can from this car. Not worthy of the Supra name whatsoever. Blech.
I can imagine the poor techs in the Toyota service departments trying to figure out this car. It's entirely BMW. Toyota will need to hire ex-BMW techs or side hire current ones to work on this thing.
02-08-18, 01:22 PM
#1147
Pole Position
The other option, is basically setting up a BMW service center within a Toyota service center. Parts stock, BMW technical info, tools, techs, machinery, the works. Imagine a Toyota tech trying to decipher BMW's ISTA-D OEM Diagnostic suite. Hah! Hell, some of them can't even handle Toyota's Techstream.
All this infrastructure for ONE car?
Nah. I'd love to see how they decide to handle this. And for what: A Toyota bodied BMW named Supra? EW.
This whole project is stupid and blasphemous.
02-08-18, 02:16 PM
#1148
The most cost effective thing to do here is just send the cars directly to BMW dealerships. Either the client takes it there himself or Toyota quietly sends each one after the client leaves. That will get old fast.
The other option, is basically setting up a BMW service center within a Toyota service center. Parts stock, BMW technical info, tools, techs, machinery, the works. Imagine a Toyota tech trying to decipher BMW's ISTA-D OEM Diagnostic suite. Hah! Hell, some of them can't even handle Toyota's Techstream.
All this infrastructure for ONE car?
Nah. I'd love to see how they decide to handle this. And for what: A Toyota bodied BMW named Supra? EW.
This whole project is stupid and blasphemous.
The other option, is basically setting up a BMW service center within a Toyota service center. Parts stock, BMW technical info, tools, techs, machinery, the works. Imagine a Toyota tech trying to decipher BMW's ISTA-D OEM Diagnostic suite. Hah! Hell, some of them can't even handle Toyota's Techstream.
All this infrastructure for ONE car?
Nah. I'd love to see how they decide to handle this. And for what: A Toyota bodied BMW named Supra? EW.
This whole project is stupid and blasphemous.
ya, you hit right on the head with this. all this to support 1 new model. i wonder how they resolved the part numbering??it sounds like toyota may just want the engineering files for this car; solidworks project, CAD files, pcb schematics, pcb layouts, firmware projects, source code etc...
02-08-18, 02:41 PM
#1150
Lexus Champion
When I first read about this collaboration, I thought oh good BMW finally came to its senses and was going to learn something about component quality and long term reliability from Toyota. Guess the joke's on potential Supra buyers.
02-08-18, 02:51 PM
#1151
Pole Position
02-08-18, 02:58 PM
#1152
Lexus Champion
I'm losing my excitement for this car.
02-08-18, 03:41 PM
#1153
Lexus Fanatic
Well, from reading the rumors/speculations and mentioned above, the low end might be named celica, while the higher trim is the supra(?).
I'm a little disappointed also (more of not having high hopes), not mainly b/c of the hp ratings, but it's a bmw underneath with different body panels and slapping on a toyota emblem.
I may be in the minority, but I don't need a GTR killer hp and price it out of the stratosphere or to be anemic either since it's expected to be heavy (somewhere around the sub 4k pound).
Until the final reveal at Geneva at the end of the month, that's when we'll know for sure so I'm keeping my hopes up...
I'm a little disappointed also (more of not having high hopes), not mainly b/c of the hp ratings, but it's a bmw underneath with different body panels and slapping on a toyota emblem.
I may be in the minority, but I don't need a GTR killer hp and price it out of the stratosphere or to be anemic either since it's expected to be heavy (somewhere around the sub 4k pound).
Until the final reveal at Geneva at the end of the month, that's when we'll know for sure so I'm keeping my hopes up...
02-08-18, 10:03 PM
#1154
Lexus Champion
This makes no sense to me. Why would they offer a Euro-only 'Supra' with around 200hp when they have the GT86 with that power? Either these posts about the Supra are misleading or guessing. I've seen lots of different pictures with Toyota test drivers in the car and the BMW is a rag top. Maybe they share the same chassis and stuff but that doesn't mean it's going to be a BMW with a Toyota badge. We'll see.
02-09-18, 04:28 AM
#1155
Lexus Test Driver
^
The guy posting this info is a BMW insider who provides product pipeline details for awhile now and is correct 99.9% of the time. I do agree it makes no sense except that it further shows how cheap Toyota is.
The guy posting this info is a BMW insider who provides product pipeline details for awhile now and is correct 99.9% of the time. I do agree it makes no sense except that it further shows how cheap Toyota is.