huh? Based on that logic, the CT200h shouldn't sell well because it's based on the Toyota Matrix chassis and uses the Prius powertrain and costs more than either. I'm confuzzled.

 

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Dont be confused....its very simple.

Lexus offers hybrids for the RX, GS and LS which sell in very small #s compared to the regular gas engines. Reason being primarily because they cost much more and dealers dont Stock them.

The CT sells bec the hybrid is the ONLY powertrain avail - there is no cheaper version for dealers to stock.

Now if there was a IS300h or GS300h that was below the price of an IS350/GS350 - im sure many ppl would buy them.

 

My friend i have seen more Ferraris on the streets then LS600hL and GS450h combined. Btw im in NYC not Iowa.
Nobody buys them.

Back in the day - my dad used to drive a 2nd gen RX400h - it leased cheaper at that time lol.

 

That is b/c you are comparing hybrid sales to gasoline ones. We explained and showed you they sell well, I believe the 4 millionth one was just sold. In Europe the sales for Lexus are mostly hybrids.

So you are going to against the facts multiple people presented based on what you and your friend saw? This is rich….

 

Stop confusing him with facts!!

 

Please return to discussing the thread topic about the IS-h doing well in this particular test against diesels.


Otherwise, leave the thread. Or be banned.

 

BMW diesels are worst offenders when it comes to claimed and real life gas mileage.

 

Here are the FACTS:

4 Million is not for Lexus - its mostly Prius (representing 50% of all hybrid sales worldwide).

Lexus sells mostly ONLY Hybrids in Europe - so ofcourse they are gonna be the bulk of sales.
Here is the lineup: CT200h, IS300h, IS250, GS300h, GS450h, RX450h, LS460, LS600hL
8 Models, 6 of which are Hybrids
http://www.lexus.co.uk/#/ExploreRange

US Sales #s - More FACTS:


This data shows Hybrid sales WAY down compared when the models were First Introduced.

Again great that IS300h is being recognized but Hybrids are Far from a sure thing especially in the US.

 

This is why the the Germans are jumping to the Hybrid bandwagon.

The Japanese have been conned. Toyota agreed to share their Hybrid technology with BMW in return for BMW to supply Toyota with Diesel engines that will soon become obsolete..

 

What would the actual cost of filling the tank be, though?.....that is what really matters. It's not always a straight apples-to-apples comparison....sometimes it's apples and oranges. Most hybrids, for example, use a gas engine as the primary power source and/or to recharge the hybrid battery-pack, not a diesel, though a few Euro-hybrids are available with diesels. But, in Europe, diesel fuel is given tax-subsidies which generally make it cheaper than European gasoline....the opposite of what usually occurs in this country, where diesel fuel often costs as much or more than Premium 91-Octane gasoline. So, in Europe, it is (theoretically) possible to get better mileage with a gas-hybrid, but end up paying more to fill the tank than it would with diesel fuel. Of course, an additional (and complicating) factor is the cost (if applicable) of the diesel's need for urea-solution refills every 10,000 miles or so. Without that solution, most modern diesels, especially the larger ones, cannot pass emissions tests. Sometimes those refills are provided free with the warranty or free-service clauses.......and sometimes, of course, you have to pay for them.

 

While I don't strongly support either side in the diesel-vs.-hybrid debate (each, as I said above, has pros and cons), I don't think that diesel engines are going to become obsolete by any means. One of their significant advantages is that they are generally less-expensive to produce and install at the factory than a typical hybrid powertrain which requires both more hardware and more complex electronics. Diesels also don't have the problem of what to do with old battery-packs and how to recycle them if applicable.

 

Toyota does not need bmw's diesel help. They have plenty of experience of their own with diesel. Good to see the IS hybrid doing well in these tests. Lexus should do well in Europe going forward.

 

must be why the IS220d in europe was a complete fail.

 

There's nothing wrong with Toyota's D-CAT Diesel. In fact it's quite well regarded.

But a diesel powered IS would never feel right.

 

Aren't most of Toyota's diesel offerings in trucks? Doesn't necessarily translate well to passenger car applications