J.D. Power: 4-cylinder engines lead to dependability drop in 3-year-old vehicles
02-12-14, 01:41 PM
#18
Hyundai and Kia rankings are a major reason I still call them fluff. Cool and edgy but lack dependability and substance
Also, past surveys have had a good number of makes in the 80's and 90's so now that 2nd is 104, I'm guessing technology failure is the latest issue with declining reliability factors
02-12-14, 01:56 PM
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Yes it's quite amazing. There's Lexus, and then everyone else hah. All joking aside, Japanese, German and American round out the top 3 spots so you can get a variety of good cars.
Hyundai and Kia rankings are a major reason I still call them fluff. Cool and edgy but lack dependability and substance
Also, past surveys have had a good number of makes in the 80's and 90's so now that 2nd is 104, I'm guessing technology failure is the latest issue with declining reliability factors
Hyundai and Kia rankings are a major reason I still call them fluff. Cool and edgy but lack dependability and substance
Also, past surveys have had a good number of makes in the 80's and 90's so now that 2nd is 104, I'm guessing technology failure is the latest issue with declining reliability factors
02-12-14, 04:08 PM
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Thats what CR specifically states, it is not my opinion... so thats why the drop - engine reliability is down.
02-12-14, 05:03 PM
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Congrats to Lexus! Well done!
This is, in my opinion, a positive effect of not chasing ever smaller engines with turbochargers, or the latest and greatest new fads and technologies. This is what happens when you stick with tried and true engines and proven technology, and introduce new engines in a slow and methodical way.
It's why I cringe when I hear people complain about the 2GR-FSE being old tech. It's not old tech. There may be some newer tech out there, but it still relies on cylinder count and displacement, and proven technologies. Gets my vote every time.
This is, in my opinion, a positive effect of not chasing ever smaller engines with turbochargers, or the latest and greatest new fads and technologies. This is what happens when you stick with tried and true engines and proven technology, and introduce new engines in a slow and methodical way.
It's why I cringe when I hear people complain about the 2GR-FSE being old tech. It's not old tech. There may be some newer tech out there, but it still relies on cylinder count and displacement, and proven technologies. Gets my vote every time.
This whole down sizing idea just doesn't work. These small 2.0L Turbo motors drink more than their bigger counterparts. And they need better maintanence, but the manufacturers will never admit this.
3000 mile oil change is vital for Turbocharged engines
02-12-14, 05:29 PM
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I would expect it to be top in reliability since it is 5 years late in the market compared to its rivals. But, I'm in no rush as I'm enjoying the silky smooth (and reliable) 2.5L V6 twice over from my 2IS and now 3IS.
Landslide win for Lexus. Congrats to Lexus and us owners!
02-12-14, 05:49 PM
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I would expect it to be top in reliability since it is 5 years late in the market compared to its rivals. But, I'm in no rush as I'm enjoying the silky smooth (and reliable) 2.5L V6 twice over from my 2IS and now 3IS.
Landslide win for Lexus. Congrats to Lexus and us owners!
Landslide win for Lexus. Congrats to Lexus and us owners!
Lexus has typically been on a 10 year plan for their engines. The 250 and 350 are no exception. I expect the new FI powertrains (other than the NX 2.0t) to debut in 2015 on 2016 models.
I have no problem with the 2.5L V6 other than the lack of port injection. Besides that it's a good engine if you view it properly. Physically yes the 2.5L is a V6 HOWEVER it is a four cylinder competitior in both displacement, slightly more power and fuel economy. Lexus was smart, the two extra cylinders provide smoothness and refinement two factors have always made Lexus a Lexus. Compare to the buzzy 2.4 I4 in the TSX for example. So those who claim that the IS250 is too slow don't understand the point.
02-12-14, 06:27 PM
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lexus score is stellar. 
audi and land rover are the only luxury brands below average. land rover i'm not surrpised about, and given the track record not really surprised about audi, but they really need to step that up. they're about in between their sister brands vw and porsche.
all the rest, not surprising really.
but the overall range, while interesting, is still VERY narrow. "problems per 100 ... in the first 3 years of ownership" and the worst is 1.85, but what problems, and how serious? so if you get a mini you can expect to go to the dealer to deal with 2 problems in three YEARS... disaster? i think not. with lexus you're likely to have to go once or not at all. DEFINITELY a great feeling if you don't have to go back at all for any problems!!!! 
audi and land rover are the only luxury brands below average. land rover i'm not surrpised about, and given the track record not really surprised about audi, but they really need to step that up. they're about in between their sister brands vw and porsche.
all the rest, not surprising really.
but the overall range, while interesting, is still VERY narrow. "problems per 100 ... in the first 3 years of ownership" and the worst is 1.85, but what problems, and how serious? so if you get a mini you can expect to go to the dealer to deal with 2 problems in three YEARS... disaster? i think not.
with lexus you're likely to have to go once or not at all. DEFINITELY a great feeling if you don't have to go back at all for any problems!!!!
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02-12-14, 06:54 PM
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Its a 3 YEAR study