Some Tips for Avoiding Pothole Damage to Your Car.
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Thanks.
I have found, from experience, that it usually works.
Good point.
I had not considered that.
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One other tidbit. If you see a pothole and can't avoid it (either it's too big or you'd have to swerve off the road or into traffic), brake HARD until you get right up on it. Just before hitting it, let off the brake and roll through. This reduces your speed as much as possible before the pothole (per Mike's advice). However, hitting the pothole while continuing to brake risks more severe damage to the suspension as well as the wheels, which is why you want to just passively roll through.
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Here it's moderate temps year round yet we still have so much pot holes everywhere. Probably due to those heavy trucks in summer.
But I easily avoid most of them. But what truly bothers me are the speed bumps everywhere. The issue is that no one here slows down, they just fly over them. When you slow down to crawl over the speed bump the drivers behind you are at a total surprise and as a result become agitated..
But I easily avoid most of them. But what truly bothers me are the speed bumps everywhere. The issue is that no one here slows down, they just fly over them. When you slow down to crawl over the speed bump the drivers behind you are at a total surprise and as a result become agitated..
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But what truly bothers me are the speed bumps everywhere. The issue is that no one here slows down, they just fly over them. When you slow down to crawl over the speed bump the drivers behind you are at a total surprise and as a result become agitated..
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It seems not enough people care to report potholes, or are cities just slow as hell to fix them?
We're often too concerned about what others think.
F them, and slow down over the speed bump. They might get annoyed, but they'll thank you eventually.
But I easily avoid most of them. But what truly bothers me are the speed bumps everywhere. The issue is that no one here slows down, they just fly over them. When you slow down to crawl over the speed bump the drivers behind you are at a total surprise and as a result become agitated..
F them, and slow down over the speed bump. They might get annoyed, but they'll thank you eventually.
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Where you are in CA, unless you are at or near higher elevations in the Sierra Nevada, you probably don't have as much of a pavement-damage problem as we do in the East and in the Great Lakes Snow Belt (Michigan, typically, is considered the nation's worst). Of course, earthquakes/tremors can strike in CA at any time, and cause a different type of road damage.
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Sometimes easier said than done. To remember the location of the dozens of potholes I avoided on my way home from where ever I was, then to go on the website for each of those towns, only to find out that certain roads are state roads, etc, etc.
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It seems not enough people care to report potholes, or are cities just slow as hell to fix them?
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Blew out a tire bent 2 wheels and cracked a 3rd in my CLS63, On top of that I bent my tie rods on the front left corner. Overall ordeal cost me around $2500. This was around January.
Friday night coming back from the Casino I hit a pothole in Indiana. So far no exterior damage to tire or rim but the car shakes at speed. Hoping its not another pricey repair. I travel these roads in my Buick with tiny wheels and tall tires and I don't even wince at the sight of potholes.
Friday night coming back from the Casino I hit a pothole in Indiana. So far no exterior damage to tire or rim but the car shakes at speed. Hoping its not another pricey repair. I travel these roads in my Buick with tiny wheels and tall tires and I don't even wince at the sight of potholes.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/30/ny...ef=automobiles
Taking On a Pothole Law: In Winter, New York State Rejects Drivers’ Claims
By SAM ROBERTS
APRIL 29, 2014
Thomas J. Abinanti, a Democratic assemblyman from Westchester County, was driving to Albany on the Taconic State Parkway in January when his car struck a pothole. He made it to the capital, but the tire had to be replaced. A few weeks later, he hit another pothole, this one on Interstate 95. Limping off the exit ramp in Mamaroneck on the dented rim, he pulled into a nearby gas station.
“Here comes another one,” the attendant said.
At the other end of the state, Melissa Vacarro, a receptionist at a factory in Buffalo, was going home to Cheektowaga on Route 33 one day this past winter when her car plunged into a pothole, a hazard she said she had reported to the State Transportation Department twice. She lost both passenger side tires, and both wheel rims. The bill was nearly $4,000.
Winter always wreaks havoc on roads, but the onslaught this year transformed ribbons of asphalt into pockmarked lunar landscapes rarely seen.
Still, New York drivers looking to Albany for financial relief from winter’s wrath, like Mr. Abinanti and Ms. Vacarro, are bound to be frustrated by a mind-boggling legal anomaly: They are not entitled to file a claim against the state for damages.
The Taconic, I-95 and Route 33 are state roads, and under the state’s jurisdiction; that is not the rub. The hitch is that both drivers had the misfortune of hitting potholes when potholes are most likely to occur, during the coldest months of the year.
Until midnight on Wednesday, if a car is dinged or even totaled because of a defect on a New York State road, drivers cannot legally claim reimbursement for damages from the state. After midnight, drivers should call their lawyer. Section 58 of the State Highway Law explicitly exempts the state from liability for damages arising from defects in its highways except between May 1 and Nov. 15.
The law defies modern technology and judicial logic, and has now spawned legislation to bring it into the 21st century.
“I was very surprised,” said Ms. Vacarro, who was told by the Transportation Department that she could not file a claim. “They have the law flip-flopped. They should cover potholes in the winter. In the summertime, I can see them and avoid them.”
She filed a claim with her insurance company, but still paid about $1,000 in out-of-pocket repairs.
Mr. Abinanti spent $700 on two new tires, a cost within the deductible on his insurance policy. He said he would not have filed a claim against the state anyway (“I’m an assemblyman; it wouldn’t be good publicity”), but added: “I don’t understand why the state exempts itself. It’s discriminatory. It’s a very unfair law.”
Robert F. Danzi, president of the New York State Trial Lawyers Association, said he was unaware of similar winter waivers of liability in other states.
The state budget approved last month included an extra $40 million to help municipalities repair potholes after the brutal winter, in which snow and ice storms prompted Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to declare a half-dozen states of emergency and state crews filled potholes with 16,000 tons of patch mix, double the typical amount.
But the state’s legal immunity for pothole claims during the peak winter pothole season helps to explain the huge disparity between what the state and New York City disbursed. In 2013, the city paid out $5.5 million in pothole-related claims. That same year, for defects that caused damages only in the balmier months from May 1 to Nov. 15, the state reimbursed motorists $13,386.
Courts have since ruled that the state is still liable for out-and-out misfeasance or negligence, but the winter not-my-fault waiver has been on the books at least as far back as 1935, when Albany, faced with a tenfold increase in auto registrations over two decades, approved a major investment in new roads and relieved the state of liability for damages caused by snow and ice on its highways.
“It’s probably from a time when the state had to husband its resources,” said Stephan H. Peskin, a past president of the trial lawyers’ group. “It gives me one more reason not to take on cases upstate.”
The legislative history suggests it dates back even further, to the turn of the 20th century, when asphalt companies closed during the winter because the blacktop that was available back then would not stick in cold weather.
“It’s an anachronism that should be revisited,” said Daniel J. Persing of Tully Rinckey, a law firm in Albany. “With new products, they can certainly extend the paving season.”
Roughly 15 percent of roads in New York, or about 15,000 miles, are under state jurisdiction. By one count, municipalities, including New York City, are under contract with the state to remove snow and make minor repairs to about 8,000 miles of state-owned roads within their jurisdictions.
Mr. Abinanti and a fellow Democrat, State Senator Timothy M. Kennedy of Buffalo, have introduced legislation that would limit the state’s blanket inoculation from claims during the colder months.
Many local jurisdictions, including New York City, also limit their liability, but not absolutely. Typically, they become liable for defects only after prior written notice of a defect, and after a specified time, at least 15 days in the city’s case, in which to make repairs.
Mr. Abinanti is proposing far less time in his bill. “Twenty-four hours or even 12 hours would make sense,” he said, meaning once a pothole was reported, the state would have that much time to fill it before being liable for damages.
Mr. Kennedy’s bill would allow motorists to seek damages from the state for “egregious or unreasonable” defects year-round or when it was given prior notice of a defect.
The State Assembly speaker, Sheldon Silver, a Manhattan Democrat who works for a personal injury law firm, said: “We have a responsibility to ensure safe roads. If a pothole has been reported and the state fails to repair it in a timely manner, motorists should have the ability to recover costs if their vehicle is damaged.”
Mr. Danzi, of the trial lawyers’ association, described Section 58 — which was amended as recently as 1971, though the essence of the law remains unchanged — as “the most blatant and draconian” example of “trading safety for financial expedience.”
A version of this article appears in print on April 30, 2014, on page A20 of the New York edition with the headline: Taking On a Quirky Pothole Law: In Winter, the State Rejects Drivers’ Damage Claims. Order Reprints|Today's Paper|Subscribe
By SAM ROBERTS
APRIL 29, 2014
Thomas J. Abinanti, a Democratic assemblyman from Westchester County, was driving to Albany on the Taconic State Parkway in January when his car struck a pothole. He made it to the capital, but the tire had to be replaced. A few weeks later, he hit another pothole, this one on Interstate 95. Limping off the exit ramp in Mamaroneck on the dented rim, he pulled into a nearby gas station.
“Here comes another one,” the attendant said.
At the other end of the state, Melissa Vacarro, a receptionist at a factory in Buffalo, was going home to Cheektowaga on Route 33 one day this past winter when her car plunged into a pothole, a hazard she said she had reported to the State Transportation Department twice. She lost both passenger side tires, and both wheel rims. The bill was nearly $4,000.
Winter always wreaks havoc on roads, but the onslaught this year transformed ribbons of asphalt into pockmarked lunar landscapes rarely seen.
Still, New York drivers looking to Albany for financial relief from winter’s wrath, like Mr. Abinanti and Ms. Vacarro, are bound to be frustrated by a mind-boggling legal anomaly: They are not entitled to file a claim against the state for damages.
The Taconic, I-95 and Route 33 are state roads, and under the state’s jurisdiction; that is not the rub. The hitch is that both drivers had the misfortune of hitting potholes when potholes are most likely to occur, during the coldest months of the year.
Until midnight on Wednesday, if a car is dinged or even totaled because of a defect on a New York State road, drivers cannot legally claim reimbursement for damages from the state. After midnight, drivers should call their lawyer. Section 58 of the State Highway Law explicitly exempts the state from liability for damages arising from defects in its highways except between May 1 and Nov. 15.
The law defies modern technology and judicial logic, and has now spawned legislation to bring it into the 21st century.
“I was very surprised,” said Ms. Vacarro, who was told by the Transportation Department that she could not file a claim. “They have the law flip-flopped. They should cover potholes in the winter. In the summertime, I can see them and avoid them.”
She filed a claim with her insurance company, but still paid about $1,000 in out-of-pocket repairs.
Mr. Abinanti spent $700 on two new tires, a cost within the deductible on his insurance policy. He said he would not have filed a claim against the state anyway (“I’m an assemblyman; it wouldn’t be good publicity”), but added: “I don’t understand why the state exempts itself. It’s discriminatory. It’s a very unfair law.”
Robert F. Danzi, president of the New York State Trial Lawyers Association, said he was unaware of similar winter waivers of liability in other states.
The state budget approved last month included an extra $40 million to help municipalities repair potholes after the brutal winter, in which snow and ice storms prompted Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to declare a half-dozen states of emergency and state crews filled potholes with 16,000 tons of patch mix, double the typical amount.
But the state’s legal immunity for pothole claims during the peak winter pothole season helps to explain the huge disparity between what the state and New York City disbursed. In 2013, the city paid out $5.5 million in pothole-related claims. That same year, for defects that caused damages only in the balmier months from May 1 to Nov. 15, the state reimbursed motorists $13,386.
Courts have since ruled that the state is still liable for out-and-out misfeasance or negligence, but the winter not-my-fault waiver has been on the books at least as far back as 1935, when Albany, faced with a tenfold increase in auto registrations over two decades, approved a major investment in new roads and relieved the state of liability for damages caused by snow and ice on its highways.
“It’s probably from a time when the state had to husband its resources,” said Stephan H. Peskin, a past president of the trial lawyers’ group. “It gives me one more reason not to take on cases upstate.”
The legislative history suggests it dates back even further, to the turn of the 20th century, when asphalt companies closed during the winter because the blacktop that was available back then would not stick in cold weather.
“It’s an anachronism that should be revisited,” said Daniel J. Persing of Tully Rinckey, a law firm in Albany. “With new products, they can certainly extend the paving season.”
Roughly 15 percent of roads in New York, or about 15,000 miles, are under state jurisdiction. By one count, municipalities, including New York City, are under contract with the state to remove snow and make minor repairs to about 8,000 miles of state-owned roads within their jurisdictions.
Mr. Abinanti and a fellow Democrat, State Senator Timothy M. Kennedy of Buffalo, have introduced legislation that would limit the state’s blanket inoculation from claims during the colder months.
Many local jurisdictions, including New York City, also limit their liability, but not absolutely. Typically, they become liable for defects only after prior written notice of a defect, and after a specified time, at least 15 days in the city’s case, in which to make repairs.
Mr. Abinanti is proposing far less time in his bill. “Twenty-four hours or even 12 hours would make sense,” he said, meaning once a pothole was reported, the state would have that much time to fill it before being liable for damages.
Mr. Kennedy’s bill would allow motorists to seek damages from the state for “egregious or unreasonable” defects year-round or when it was given prior notice of a defect.
The State Assembly speaker, Sheldon Silver, a Manhattan Democrat who works for a personal injury law firm, said: “We have a responsibility to ensure safe roads. If a pothole has been reported and the state fails to repair it in a timely manner, motorists should have the ability to recover costs if their vehicle is damaged.”
Mr. Danzi, of the trial lawyers’ association, described Section 58 — which was amended as recently as 1971, though the essence of the law remains unchanged — as “the most blatant and draconian” example of “trading safety for financial expedience.”
A version of this article appears in print on April 30, 2014, on page A20 of the New York edition with the headline: Taking On a Quirky Pothole Law: In Winter, the State Rejects Drivers’ Damage Claims. Order Reprints|Today's Paper|Subscribe
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Originally Posted by doge
Friday night coming back from the Casino I hit a pothole in Indiana. So far no exterior damage to tire or rim but the car shakes at speed. Hoping its not another pricey repair. I I travel these roads in my Buick with tiny wheels and tall tires and I don't even wince at the sight of potholes.
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If I'm driving my truck, I love speed bumps, humps, all those stupid gimmicks designed to slow you down to a crawl. No traffic, I floor it and pretend I'm one of them Duke boys, try and catch some air.
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The potholes out here are so bad out here. I've seen some that were literally a foot deep. I hit one so hard in my SC300 a while back that my windshield washer fluid reservoir got busted. I guess it pushed my wheel into it or something.
Since all my cars have expensive aftermarket wheels I plan out most of my trips so that I avoid most of the giant potholes. I'll swerve to dodge most unexpected ones.
Since all my cars have expensive aftermarket wheels I plan out most of my trips so that I avoid most of the giant potholes. I'll swerve to dodge most unexpected ones.
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The potholes out here are so bad out here. I've seen some that were literally a foot deep. I hit one so hard in my SC300 a while back that my windshield washer fluid reservoir got busted. I guess it pushed my wheel into it or something.
Since all my cars have expensive aftermarket wheels I plan out most of my trips so that I avoid most of the giant potholes. I'll swerve to dodge most unexpected ones.
Since all my cars have expensive aftermarket wheels I plan out most of my trips so that I avoid most of the giant potholes. I'll swerve to dodge most unexpected ones.
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