Hyundai Axed the Turbo Four in the 2015 Genesis Coupe
06-03-14, 08:44 AM
#16
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To their defense the coupe market in the 20-40k range is a hard cookie to crack, dominated by the American brands. The Genesis on paper had many pros going for it, including R-spec packages with Brembos etc.
Going upmarket now is going to be even more tough as things have changed. It used to be a just the 3 series and G35/G37. Now we have
C-class coupe
A5/S5
RC
ATS coupe
Going upmarket now is going to be even more tough as things have changed. It used to be a just the 3 series and G35/G37. Now we have
C-class coupe
A5/S5
RC
ATS coupe
06-03-14, 10:37 AM
#17
Lexus Champion
To their defense the coupe market in the 20-40k range is a hard cookie to crack, dominated by the American brands. The Genesis on paper had many pros going for it, including R-spec packages with Brembos etc.
Going upmarket now is going to be even more tough as things have changed. It used to be a just the 3 series and G35/G37. Now we have
C-class coupe
A5/S5
RC
ATS coupe
Going upmarket now is going to be even more tough as things have changed. It used to be a just the 3 series and G35/G37. Now we have
C-class coupe
A5/S5
RC
ATS coupe
Plus on the lower end, you have tough competition from the likes of the 370Z and others....
06-03-14, 09:08 PM
#18
Lexus Test Driver
i'll bite... when you're trying to break into a market, you often go disruptive, controversial, break the mold, etc. once you're in the market, you often then become more conventional because you don't need to be controversial. mazda, subaru, volvo, and other small players have 'different' offerings to try to stand out in a crowded field. as subaru in particular has become more successful, their vehicles are becoming more conventional, although their product strategy and marketing has been EXCELLENT with a very dedicated and growing following.
it does if the new one won't be as 'funky'.
product marketing always has trade-offs too.
it does if the new one won't be as 'funky'.
product marketing always has trade-offs too.
08-01-14, 09:30 AM
#19
2015 Hyundai Genesis Coupe drops the turbocharged 2.0-liter engine
Starts at $26,750
Hyundai has unveiled the 2015 Genesis Coupe in the United States.
Looking virtually identical to its predecessor, the 2015 model gains standard LED daytime running lights. 3.8 R-Spec models also receive automatic climate control and a passive entry system. Additional changes are limited but there are two new base models and the 3.8 Grand Touring has been dropped.
Bigger changes occur under the hood as the turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine - which produced 274 bhp (204 kW) and 275 lb-ft (372 Nm) of torque - has been jettisoned. As a result, the model is available exclusively with a 3.8-liter V6 that develops 348 bhp (259 kW) and 295 lb-ft (399 Nm) of torque. This will enable the coupe to accelerate from 0-60 mph in the "lower five-second range" and hit an electrically limited top speed of 149 mph (239 km/h).
Despite featuring a more powerful engine, Hyundai has managed to keep the model affordable as pricing starts at $26,750. For comparison, the entry-level 2014 Genesis Coupe with the 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine started at $26,350.
Hyundai has unveiled the 2015 Genesis Coupe in the United States.
Looking virtually identical to its predecessor, the 2015 model gains standard LED daytime running lights. 3.8 R-Spec models also receive automatic climate control and a passive entry system. Additional changes are limited but there are two new base models and the 3.8 Grand Touring has been dropped.
Bigger changes occur under the hood as the turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine - which produced 274 bhp (204 kW) and 275 lb-ft (372 Nm) of torque - has been jettisoned. As a result, the model is available exclusively with a 3.8-liter V6 that develops 348 bhp (259 kW) and 295 lb-ft (399 Nm) of torque. This will enable the coupe to accelerate from 0-60 mph in the "lower five-second range" and hit an electrically limited top speed of 149 mph (239 km/h).
Despite featuring a more powerful engine, Hyundai has managed to keep the model affordable as pricing starts at $26,750. For comparison, the entry-level 2014 Genesis Coupe with the 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine started at $26,350.
08-01-14, 10:02 AM
#20
Lexus Champion
Despite featuring a more powerful engine, Hyundai has managed to keep the model affordable as pricing starts at $26,750. For comparison, the entry-level 2014 Genesis Coupe with the 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine started at $26,350.
08-12-14, 12:29 PM
#23
Hyundai Genesis Coupe could be killed off - report
Could be revived as a BMW 4-Series competitor?
According to a recent report, Hyundai could kill the Genesis Coupe.
Details are limited but Automotive News says the car's future depends on the long-rumored entry-level sports sedan that would battle the BMW 3-Series and Mercedes C-Class. That particular model is codenamed IK (or RK) and it hasn't been green-lighted as of yet.
The company is considering a variety of options for both cars and one of them reportedly involves killing off the Genesis Coupe to resurrect it as a coupe variant of the sports sedan. This, in theory, would give the company a BMW 4-Series and Mercedes C-Class Coupe competitor.
Nothing is set in stone but the current Genesis Coupe is expected to stick around for two or three years while the company finalizes their plan.
According to a recent report, Hyundai could kill the Genesis Coupe.
Details are limited but Automotive News says the car's future depends on the long-rumored entry-level sports sedan that would battle the BMW 3-Series and Mercedes C-Class. That particular model is codenamed IK (or RK) and it hasn't been green-lighted as of yet.
The company is considering a variety of options for both cars and one of them reportedly involves killing off the Genesis Coupe to resurrect it as a coupe variant of the sports sedan. This, in theory, would give the company a BMW 4-Series and Mercedes C-Class Coupe competitor.
Nothing is set in stone but the current Genesis Coupe is expected to stick around for two or three years while the company finalizes their plan.
08-12-14, 01:35 PM
#24
What on earth is Hyundai up too, targeting the 3 and C. They must really be trying this upscale push. Nothing wrong with that, I'm intrigued. But with Kia somewhat pushing too it throws a loop. Say they do a 3/C competitor, should Hyundai even be making the Elantra, Sonata and Azera (considering Kia has Accent, Forte, Optima, Cadenza) when they have the RWD Genesis and Equus. I'll be keeping tabs on this rumor.
08-12-14, 02:05 PM
#25
Lead Lap
They're doing everything but outright making a Genesis luxury brand, I suppose. I'm actually fine with that for the time being, Hyundai still can't tune a damn suspension to save their life. The Genesis sedan (with Lotus' help) is a good start.
08-12-14, 02:35 PM
#26
Lexus Fanatic
I haven't sampled the 2Gen version and can't comment on it, but I was stunned when I drove the 1Gen 3.8L Track version. The chassis/steering/powertrain engineering in it was amazing. Except for maybe (?) a slightly stiffer ride, it was the closest thing to the last-generation BMW 335i feel I have ever experienced in a non-BMW nameplate. Blindfolded, I would have been hard-pressed to tell the difference in the driving manners. The main difference, of course, was in the interior, where the Genesis coupe used much cheaper materials than the 3-series. In fact, the Genesis 4-door sedan itself had a far more plush interior then the 1Gen coupe.
08-12-14, 02:37 PM
#27
I haven't sampled the 2Gen version and can't comment on it, but I was stunned when I drove the 1Gen 3.8L Track version. The chassis/steering/powertrain engineering in it was amazing. Except for maybe (?) a slightly stiffer ride, it was the closest thing to the last-generation BMW 335i feel I have ever experienced in a non-BMW nameplate. Blindfolded, I would have been hard-pressed to tell the difference in the driving manners. The main difference, of course, was in the interior, where the Genesis coupe used much cheaper materials than the 3-series. In fact, the Genesis 4-door sedan itself had a far more plush interior then the 1Gen coupe.
08-12-14, 02:42 PM
#28
Lexus Fanatic
Have you gotten a chance to drive a Genesis Coupe yet, Hoovey? Like I said, I can't directly comment on the 2Gen, but the original one could have done something no other non-BMW (especially from Korea) has ever done before (or since)....fooled me into thinking I was in one.
08-12-14, 03:21 PM
#29
Yeah, that was obvious. In the sedan, the effort went into interior and trim. In the coupe, it went into chassis/steering and powertrain.
Have you gotten a chance to drive a Genesis Coupe yet, Hoovey? Like I said, I can't directly comment on the 2Gen, but the original one could have done something no other non-BMW (especially from Korea) has ever done before (or since)....fooled me into thinking I was in one.
Have you gotten a chance to drive a Genesis Coupe yet, Hoovey? Like I said, I can't directly comment on the 2Gen, but the original one could have done something no other non-BMW (especially from Korea) has ever done before (or since)....fooled me into thinking I was in one.
I sampled a pre 2013 Track V6 with 6MT and it was far from refined. Nothing close to what a BMW achieves. The ride was extremely firm and crashed over small imperfections in the road. I liken it to the 2008 Lexus IS F suspension. Supposedly 2013 brought significant upgrades, but I haven't had time to get in one yet, even still, I have my reservations that they could achieve the ride/handling balance that BMW can still muster up, especially in the current M235i. Powertrain was a bit rough at higher RPMs, and the gearbox and clutch weren't smooth to engage. Obviously the Genesis starts at a much lower price, but I find it pretty difficult to fathom how one could equate the Genesis coupe with a BMW. It seemed like the 2010-2012 Genesis coupes were like the 1st gen G35/350Z. A generation behind, a little heavy on the scales, and not super refined in any way.
08-12-14, 04:29 PM
#30
Lexus Fanatic
I sampled a pre 2013 Track V6 with 6MT and it was far from refined. Nothing close to what a BMW achieves. The ride was extremely firm and crashed over small imperfections in the road.
I liken it to the 2008 Lexus IS F suspension.
(That's why I carry a tire gauge and/or double-check the tires on the pressure-sensors before a test-drive).
The 2008 IS-F suspension, before the 2009 retuning, I agree, was one of the harshest I've ever experienced on a regular street-car, along with the Mitsubishi Evo's. The Genesis coupe I drove (with proper PSI's) was quite firm but not in that league.
Supposedly 2013 brought significant upgrades, but I haven't had time to get in one yet, even still, I have my reservations that they could achieve the ride/handling balance that BMW can still muster up, especially in the current M235i. Powertrain was a bit rough at higher RPMs, and the gearbox and clutch weren't smooth to engage. Obviously the Genesis starts at a much lower price, but I find it pretty difficult to fathom how one could equate the Genesis coupe with a BMW. It seemed like the 2010-2012 Genesis coupes were like the 1st gen G35/350Z. A generation behind, a little heavy on the scales, and not super refined in any way.
Last edited by mmarshall; 08-12-14 at 04:34 PM.