Amen to that

 

My feeling is that you should never buy a car simply on the published EPA ratings. If you do, then you may be setting yourself up for something like this. It doesn't take a genius (or an auto engineer's brain) to figure out that too many things can (and do) affect fuel-mileage. In the kind of constant stop-and-go traffic that we have in the D.C. and SoCal regions, for example (and with constant speed-bumps/4-way stop signs making it even worse) it is difficult to get or average even the EPA City estimate, though, if one gets on the Interstate and can keep up a steady speed, the EPA Highway figure (or even better) usually is no problem

 

LMAO...."real world numbers" is MPG reported from 'real world users'

 

Thankfully, we have something called the internet and everyone in the market for a car should do thorough research.

This means going to fuel economy sites and researching real world figures from owners if MPG is a big criteria. Sadly, manufacturer/EPA estimates on many cars aren't that reliable.

From all the information I've accumulated, Toyota is easily the most accurate with MPG estimates. They also seem to be the only company that has hybrid estimates nailed down. Most companies can't seem to grasp hybrid MPG. With a Prius, you can fully expect to get 50 MPG combined as estimated on the sticker.

 

If I am pushing my car in the real world, I am a real world user

 

I can get 99mpg by getting some speed and reseting the 'Average' and letting off the throttle

 

I am pretty sure the other companies know exactly what their hybrid MPG is, they are just lying about it, they aren't stupid.

If they don't have a good grasp on it, why are they always wrong by being too high and not too low?

 

lol..............exactly...........you don't even have to reset it, just read the "current MPG" or "real time MPG"......or whatever it is call.

I get 99 MPG by going down hill with no throttle..............yay!

 

CR ran an article that said 55% of the hybrids they tested missed their EPA estimates by 10% or more. There are some Toyota and Lexus hybrids on the list, but generally they were closer to their estimates than some of the other brands.

In the same article they said 20% of the small turbos tested missed their EPA estimates by 10% or more, and 10% of conventional gas engine cars missed theirs.

 

If it was Toyota or Hyundai etc then there would have been drama and a need for compensation LOL

Talk about double standards

 

you dont miss your EPA rating by 10 mpg... they should be sued and punished, there is nothing honest about lying to your investors and customers.

 

No double standards with me. If it had been Toyota, I would have said exactly the same thing as I did in my last post above.

In fact, I can remember, a number of years ago, when the Prius first started claiming 50-60 MPG, the service managers at local Toyota shops here told customers to expect around 45 MPG in mixed-use suburban driving.....and they were usually right on.

 

X2, Hyundai had to reimburse owners.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...l-economy.html

 

There would have been internet rioting. I can't believe I'm reading excuses for Ford.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "excuses". The same thing applies to Ford as does any other automaker....hybrid or not. There is no guarantee that any car (or any driver) will get precisely (or even near) the published EPA ratings....especially in very dense stop/go traffic, though some hybrids, because the electric motor runs more, are actually more efficient in city conditions.

Now, having said that, of course, if there is evidence that the EPA figure is WAY off for a LOT of owners, then the automaker should look into it (as Ford has done) and make some revisions as needed.