View Poll Results: What should the next LS go after?
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Next Lexus LS (2018 model)
02-27-17, 10:02 AM
#2146
However, the atmos' throttle response & torque curve will still be sadly missed.
Life is often a compromise.
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Last edited by peteharvey; 02-27-17 at 10:07 AM.
02-27-17, 12:35 PM
#2147
Now this is a much better way to put it and I agree. I hope they don't make the LSF the only V8 optioned LS.
02-27-17, 12:42 PM
#2148
Advanced
FYI, maybe everyone can stop whining about the lack of a V8 at launch. No reason the LS would not get this updated drivetrain options from the LC, even if slightly detuned.
LC F to debut in Tokyo this fall. The bold is mine, to emphasize my favorite part of this article... 
http://blog.caranddriver.com/scoop-6...ing-this-fall/
http://blog.caranddriver.com/scoop-6...ing-this-fall/
02-27-17, 12:53 PM
#2149
Lead Lap
5.0 offers 468 horsepower and 391
Current TTV6 figures are 415 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque.
02-27-17, 01:13 PM
#2150
Advanced
Not sure what you mean. Did you read the article, 600hp TT V8 going in the F version of the LC, even if detuned the LS could find itself with a 550hp TT V8.
02-27-17, 02:19 PM
#2151
Lexus Champion
New Car and Driver article.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...sected-feature
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...sected-feature
Rear-wheel drive is standard on the LS, while all-wheel drive will be an option. A hybrid will join the lineup shortly. And with the Germans all packing V-8s and even V-12s in their full-size sedans, Lexus would be foolish to cap the LS at six cylinders. We do not believe Lexus is foolish. Nobody at Lexus will cop to it, but, seeing as Lexus’s current V-8s all date fairly deep into the last decade, we suspect they’re working up a new one to take on the smaller, higher-output Teutons—perhaps like the 600-hp V-8 reportedly bound for the LC F.
Our preview of the Lexus LS included a short drive of some early engineering mules. Engineers were still finalizing powertrain *calibrations, so we can’t comment on the twin-turbo six at this time. But with the optional air springs, the ride is excellent, and the rear-wheel steering helps the LS feel surprisingly nimble without compromising straight-line stability. The steering is satisfyingly hefty and the brake pedal progressive. The original LS won the first comparison test we threw it into in 1989; we’ll find out in another year or so if its latest descendant can repeat that feat.
02-27-17, 03:06 PM
#2152
Lexus Test Driver
I agree, without a V8 it's a wannabe flagship in the mold of the CT6 and Continental.
But the bigger question, will they make a non-sport one?
I agree that 4.0 V8 is the ideal size due to displacement taxes in Europe and why even Mercedes is moving in that direction with their new 4 V8 tt for the upcoming S refresh at 474 HP I think.
I read the article on the pricing for the LC and that's ludicrous. Think about this: the S8 at over 600 HP books for $116k.
Here is the engine lineup they should have done:
3.0 V6 tt @ 360 HP or the existing 3.5 @ 415 HP
4.0 V8 tt @ 475 HP (call this the LS 560 since they already messed up the nomenclature).
4.0 V8 tt @ 600 HP for the F
But the bigger question, will they make a non-sport one?
I agree that 4.0 V8 is the ideal size due to displacement taxes in Europe and why even Mercedes is moving in that direction with their new 4 V8 tt for the upcoming S refresh at 474 HP I think.
I read the article on the pricing for the LC and that's ludicrous. Think about this: the S8 at over 600 HP books for $116k.
Here is the engine lineup they should have done:
3.0 V6 tt @ 360 HP or the existing 3.5 @ 415 HP
4.0 V8 tt @ 475 HP (call this the LS 560 since they already messed up the nomenclature).
4.0 V8 tt @ 600 HP for the F
02-27-17, 04:33 PM
#2153
Lexus released a four cylinder turbo only a few years ago.
Lexus is about to release a 3.5 V6 TT.
Give them some time, and they will have a 4.0 V8 TT.
Electric vehicles will take sometime to become mainstream.
TMC knows that hydrogen infrastructure will take a long time to establish.
Thus meantime, I'm sure you'll see a full line up of small capacity turbos, even with electric compressors to facilitate the exhaust driven turbos, and large battery capacity larger electric motor plug-in PHEV hybrids.
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Lexus is about to release a 3.5 V6 TT.
Give them some time, and they will have a 4.0 V8 TT.
Electric vehicles will take sometime to become mainstream.
TMC knows that hydrogen infrastructure will take a long time to establish.
Thus meantime, I'm sure you'll see a full line up of small capacity turbos, even with electric compressors to facilitate the exhaust driven turbos, and large battery capacity larger electric motor plug-in PHEV hybrids.
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Last edited by peteharvey; 02-27-17 at 05:59 PM.
02-28-17, 07:03 AM
#2155
Pole Position
A 600hp tt small V8 will be too high strung for a luxury car. Something in the range of 475-500 hp range is more appropriate for normal driving. Although anything over 300hp is more than adequate, but you know competition.
02-28-17, 09:11 AM
#2156
No matter how many active and passive safety features you put in a car, the weight is always the number one safety factor.
Normally, flagship car should carry more weight, and need more power to drive it.
Like Mercedes S600 is not faster than S550, but it definitely need that power to drive it properly.
If the power and torque is very high, the engine and transmission materiel should be very special on torque and heat resistance, and the cost will be skyrocket high, this is why high-end car is so expensive.
02-28-17, 09:57 AM
#2157
I think he is talking about how the smaller displacement engine will feel/sound when boosted to 600hp. For these, the highest hp I tried was the Audi A8 and S6, both felt and sound great but were also south of 500hp.
I also own a 4.7 liter twin turbo (Mercedes GL OE tuned) which is just around 500 hp and that also felt fine, smooth, no lag, low and glass-like idle, quiet. But 4.7 might not be considered small displacement.
The Audi S8 had 600 hp from 4.0 liters, anyone drove that? Know of any others?
I also own a 4.7 liter twin turbo (Mercedes GL OE tuned) which is just around 500 hp and that also felt fine, smooth, no lag, low and glass-like idle, quiet. But 4.7 might not be considered small displacement.
The Audi S8 had 600 hp from 4.0 liters, anyone drove that? Know of any others?
03-05-17, 07:48 PM
#2158
I agree, without a V8 it's a wannabe flagship in the mold of the CT6 and Continental.
But the bigger question, will they make a non-sport one?
I agree that 4.0 V8 is the ideal size due to displacement taxes in Europe and why even Mercedes is moving in that direction with their new 4 V8 tt for the upcoming S refresh at 474 HP I think.
I read the article on the pricing for the LC and that's ludicrous. Think about this: the S8 at over 600 HP books for $116k.
Here is the engine lineup they should have done:
3.0 V6 tt @ 360 HP or the existing 3.5 @ 415 HP
4.0 V8 tt @ 475 HP (call this the LS 560 since they already messed up the nomenclature).
4.0 V8 tt @ 600 HP for the F
But the bigger question, will they make a non-sport one?
I agree that 4.0 V8 is the ideal size due to displacement taxes in Europe and why even Mercedes is moving in that direction with their new 4 V8 tt for the upcoming S refresh at 474 HP I think.
I read the article on the pricing for the LC and that's ludicrous. Think about this: the S8 at over 600 HP books for $116k.
Here is the engine lineup they should have done:
3.0 V6 tt @ 360 HP or the existing 3.5 @ 415 HP
4.0 V8 tt @ 475 HP (call this the LS 560 since they already messed up the nomenclature).
4.0 V8 tt @ 600 HP for the F
GS F will be 4.0 V8 TT with 550 BHP.
03-06-17, 04:14 AM
#2159
Lexus Test Driver
Yeah I read that, although it has since been refuted. Still that article never mentioned a non-sport one.
Mercedes is pushing out a 4 V8 tt @ 470+ HP to replace the 4.7 for the S and others. Audi is upping its 4.0 liter as well in the new A8 4.0t.
Lexus is losing this race. They're already behind and if they don't release one, then it would be safe to say that they gave up in this class and are comfortable in the realm of the CT6 and Continental. Nothing wrong that, but it's not in the same class as the Germans.
Mercedes is pushing out a 4 V8 tt @ 470+ HP to replace the 4.7 for the S and others. Audi is upping its 4.0 liter as well in the new A8 4.0t.
Lexus is losing this race. They're already behind and if they don't release one, then it would be safe to say that they gave up in this class and are comfortable in the realm of the CT6 and Continental. Nothing wrong that, but it's not in the same class as the Germans.
03-06-17, 05:50 AM
#2160
Lexus Fanatic
Sorry, a sure to start over $80k LS500 is not "in the same league" as a $45,000 to start FWD Taurus based Continental or a $55k to start 4cyl base CT6 simply because it only has TTV6 lol. The vast majority of flagships sold now are 6 cyl power, that's just something we've got to accept.
In the same class as the Germans? Perhaps not but then was it ever really? When the LS only had V8 power and the Germans had base V8s and available V12s did it not compete then? Nobody who owns a German car would think so. It rarely gets mentioned alongside those cars, and never has. It's always been smaller, cheaper. Doesn't mean it only compares to cars that start $30,000 cheaper than it is however.
It'll overlap the higher trims of those cars, the G90, and the lower trims of the German cars just like it always has.
In the same class as the Germans? Perhaps not but then was it ever really? When the LS only had V8 power and the Germans had base V8s and available V12s did it not compete then? Nobody who owns a German car would think so. It rarely gets mentioned alongside those cars, and never has. It's always been smaller, cheaper. Doesn't mean it only compares to cars that start $30,000 cheaper than it is however.
It'll overlap the higher trims of those cars, the G90, and the lower trims of the German cars just like it always has.
Last edited by SW17LS; 03-06-17 at 06:04 AM.
