View Poll Results: What should the next LS go after?
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Next Lexus LS (2018 model)
01-13-17, 02:06 PM
#1351
Yea how exactly is it not worth it? What exactly about it isn't 90k? It blows the 4 and 4.5ls away with everything, v8 or not the specs in the new engine will have you guys eating dust. And I'm sure Lexus will refine the engine a lot it's the flagship. And how exactly is 740 worth it more when it has worse specs and its spartan imho? You guys really need to back your info up and stop just trying to bash the car!
The old 2.5L V6 atmos was glorious to rev; even just pottering around town.
Likewise, you will find the old atmos V8 much slicker than the new twin turbo 3.5.
We just can't defy the laws of physics.
There have been badly styled LS's before, but 5LS is by far the worst!
And don't forget that the 5LS will be the most "performance-oriented" LS ever!
TMC president Akio has his sporty input, so watch out for the springing and the ride...
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Last edited by peteharvey; 01-13-17 at 02:18 PM.
01-13-17, 02:33 PM
#1352
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by peteharvey
Look at my missus and her new 200t turbo four; 0-60 and fuel economy isn't everything.
The old 2.5L V6 atmos was glorious to rev; even just pottering around town.
Likewise, you will find the old atmos V8 much slicker than the new twin turbo 3.5.
We just can't defy the laws of physics.
There have been badly styled LS's before, but 5LS is by far the worst!
And don't forget that the 5LS will be the most "performance-oriented" LS ever!
TMC president Akio has his sporty input, so watch out for the springing and the ride...
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The old 2.5L V6 atmos was glorious to rev; even just pottering around town.
Likewise, you will find the old atmos V8 much slicker than the new twin turbo 3.5.
We just can't defy the laws of physics.
There have been badly styled LS's before, but 5LS is by far the worst!
And don't forget that the 5LS will be the most "performance-oriented" LS ever!
TMC president Akio has his sporty input, so watch out for the springing and the ride...
.
01-13-17, 02:43 PM
#1353
Lexus Test Driver
But those LS's are the SWB cars. When BMW and Audi did away with their SWB cars, they also did away with that SWB price point. There was an A8 SWB that was available around $70k at one time...no more.
I'm sure pricing will come from the LS460L, not the LS460.
No offense, but I don't see how any of this makes any sense. The LS has always stickered well beneath $80k, has it never been a "flagship"?
IMHO this car is worth $80k to start even without a V8. The engine isn't the only thing or even the most important thing, and most buyers are accustomed to base V6 power in the segment now. People are paying $80k+ for 6 col A8s and 740s.
I'm sure pricing will come from the LS460L, not the LS460.
No offense, but I don't see how any of this makes any sense. The LS has always stickered well beneath $80k, has it never been a "flagship"?
IMHO this car is worth $80k to start even without a V8. The engine isn't the only thing or even the most important thing, and most buyers are accustomed to base V6 power in the segment now. People are paying $80k+ for 6 col A8s and 740s.
In today's world, these "flagships" are all priced above $80k. Lexus couldn't just raise the price of the current one to keep pace because it's so old.
But, you think bulbous styling and a HUD sans a V8 is worth it now Lexus has the opportunity?
01-13-17, 02:49 PM
#1354
Last time 4LS attracted 35,0000 customers on debut back in 2007...
01-13-17, 02:49 PM
#1355
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by Rhambler
Well that "$70k" was good and priced accordingly when it came out. It may have been slightly cheaper than the competition, but not $20k cheaper like it is today.
In today's world, these "flagships" are all priced above $80k. Lexus couldn't just raise the price of the current one to keep pace because it's so old.
But, you think bulbous styling and a HUD sans a V8 is worth it now Lexus has the opportunity?
In today's world, these "flagships" are all priced above $80k. Lexus couldn't just raise the price of the current one to keep pace because it's so old.
But, you think bulbous styling and a HUD sans a V8 is worth it now Lexus has the opportunity?
01-13-17, 02:53 PM
#1356
Pole Position
I'm sure pricing will come from the LS460L, not the LS460.
No offense, but I don't see how any of this makes any sense. The LS has always stickered well beneath $80k, has it never been a "flagship"?
IMHO this car is worth $80k to start even without a V8. The engine isn't the only thing or even the most important thing, and most buyers are accustomed to base V6 power in the segment now. People are paying $80k+ for 6 col A8s and 740s.
No offense, but I don't see how any of this makes any sense. The LS has always stickered well beneath $80k, has it never been a "flagship"?
IMHO this car is worth $80k to start even without a V8. The engine isn't the only thing or even the most important thing, and most buyers are accustomed to base V6 power in the segment now. People are paying $80k+ for 6 col A8s and 740s.
After the car has been released, we are debating whether the price will be above or below 80K.
After the car hits the dealerships, what are we going to debate? Paint and wheel choices?
Save something for later, folks!
01-13-17, 03:01 PM
#1357
Pole Position
Ok you really seriously need to get over the v8 most of everyone but you and a couple people are stilling babbling on about it. And the styling is way better then your basic ls. And yea with the styling interior and features Lexus has full rights to up the price. Cause it compares very well with the current flagships. And everyone knew the ls wasn't gonna be tame in terms of styling but it looks good. People are saying this is the best implementation of the spindle grill. So you are def in the minority. And have fun in your extremely dated ls and your oh so lovely v8. Despite this far being better in every way including the specs.
Chill out, imrankh. It's a car, for goodness sakes! You didn't design the car, so why are you taking this discussion so personally? Everyone is expressing their opinion respectfully. Please do the same. Thank you.
01-13-17, 03:04 PM
#1358
Lead Lap
Eh, I don't think its fair to expect 4LS numbers out of the 5LS at debut. I think just a bit of context is due- as you know, 2007 was the height of the "good times 'rollin" era of the 2000's and it was also back when the flagship sedan reigned supreme. That was optimal for sales.
01-13-17, 03:16 PM
#1359
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by comotiger
Chill out, imrankh. It's a car, for goodness sakes! You didn't design the car, so why are you taking this discussion so personally? Everyone is expressing their opinion respectfully. Please do the same. Thank you.
01-13-17, 04:20 PM
#1361
Its relatively natural for people in the old model to complain about the new model, its not just cars but a lot of other things like cell phones and computers, clothes, whatever people cherish.
We see this all the time with new car models, countless times on CL. IS, GS, RX, LS, its all like this. It sucks to be the old generation but everyone gets over it eventually and accepts the new model. The stragglers, we can call them the late adopters, yea they can take a while but it happens eventually. We're only a few days in and we're already seeing the, "its growing on me" posts. Sooner or later, they'll be the, "yea I like it". Then it will be, "well I just bought it".
We see this all the time with new car models, countless times on CL. IS, GS, RX, LS, its all like this. It sucks to be the old generation but everyone gets over it eventually and accepts the new model. The stragglers, we can call them the late adopters, yea they can take a while but it happens eventually. We're only a few days in and we're already seeing the, "its growing on me" posts. Sooner or later, they'll be the, "yea I like it". Then it will be, "well I just bought it".
01-13-17, 04:48 PM
#1362
Its relatively natural for people in the old model to complain about the new model, its not just cars but a lot of other things like cell phones and computers, clothes, whatever people cherish.
We see this all the time with new car models, countless times on CL. IS, GS, RX, LS, its all like this. It sucks to be the old generation but everyone gets over it eventually and accepts the new model. The stragglers, we can call them the late adopters, yea they can take a while but it happens eventually. We're only a few days in and we're already seeing the, "its growing on me" posts. Sooner or later, they'll be the, "yea I like it". Then it will be, "well I just bought it".
We see this all the time with new car models, countless times on CL. IS, GS, RX, LS, its all like this. It sucks to be the old generation but everyone gets over it eventually and accepts the new model. The stragglers, we can call them the late adopters, yea they can take a while but it happens eventually. We're only a few days in and we're already seeing the, "its growing on me" posts. Sooner or later, they'll be the, "yea I like it". Then it will be, "well I just bought it".
Welcome to the rumble 5LS!
01-13-17, 05:16 PM
#1363
Lexus Fanatic
Ok you really seriously need to get over the v8 most of everyone but you and a couple people are stilling babbling on about it. And the styling is way better then your basic ls. And yea with the styling interior and features Lexus has full rights to up the price. Cause it compares very well with the current flagships. And everyone knew the ls wasn't gonna be tame in terms of styling but it looks good. People are saying this is the best implementation of the spindle grill. So you are def in the minority. And have fun in your extremely dated ls and your oh so lovely v8. Despite this far being better in every way including the specs.
There really is no need to knock the guys previous gen LS. Yes the new LS is better in every way, but the previous gen LS was a good car and there is no real need to get so personal
01-13-17, 05:30 PM
#1364
Originally Posted by davyjordi
might be coming off a little harsh? i'm surprised people are still responding to your posts at all.
Just kidding all is well. Perhaps Lexus will give us loyalists an old timers discount on the new LS500. At $80K (I know) and/or a good residual, any shortcomings will disappear (for me at least).
Glutton for punishment, I did test drive an A8L with the TTV8 yesterday, a lot of car loaded for $91,500 MSRP (before heavy discounts). All should at least try all of the flavors before buying a scoop or two.
01-13-17, 05:34 PM
#1365
Eh, I don't think its fair to expect 4LS numbers out of the 5LS at debut. I think just a bit of context is due- as you know, 2007 was the height of the "good times 'rollin" era of the 2000's and it was also back when the flagship sedan reigned supreme. That was optimal for sales.
LS runs on the same 7 year model cycle as S Class, so traditionally, the following year, all new LS debuts with new benchmark sales.
Recently in 2014, S Class debut with 25,000 units.
So it would be great if 5LS could debut with at least 25k American customers to continue the tradition.
I wouldn't worry about the Nissan Infiniti styling, nor the V6 TT - you never know, 5LS could sell like hot cakes....