2016 Toyota Tacoma news
11-30-15, 07:24 AM
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I've seen a half dozen or so out on the road. Saw an orange one downtown yesterday and really liked it.
11-30-15, 07:12 PM
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The all-new Tacoma gets a new power train, suspension, and redesigned exterior and interior styling. But if feels, sounds, and drives an awful lot like an unrefined old truck.
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Thanks to an almost competitive-free environment, the Toyota Tacoma has dominated the midsize truck segment for nearly a decade. But the Tacoma now faces some stiff competition in the form of two new trucks from GM. So, does the third-generation Tacoma have what it takes to fend off segment newcomers?
12-01-15, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Motor
Toyota Tacoma has dominated the midsize truck segment for nearly a decade. But the Tacoma now faces some stiff competition in the form of two new trucks from GM.
12-02-15, 10:00 AM
#276
Won't compete with the Tacoma in other markets, would compete with the Hilux.
12-02-15, 10:09 AM
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12-02-15, 11:01 AM
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A new Ranger is not coming soon, I am not sure why you think there is such a large market for smaller trucks. The price point of the current Tacoma and GM trucks is at the sweet point where it becomes very difficult to manufacture a truck and keep very high profit margins with the sales it is getting. Ford is in a better position to offer a F150 and bake the costs of the lower end F150 across the whole range thus keeping high profit margins.
12-02-15, 07:18 PM
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It won't be "soon" in the sense of next week or month. But, given the Ford negotiations with the UAW and the work of the product-planners, it will be in the not-too-distant future, maybe 2017 for the 2018 model year.
Also of interest, I think, will be the new 2-door Bronco that will (reportedly) be coming from the same plant. An ex-co-worker of mine has been waiting 20 years for a new Bronco, even if this one will be a little smaller. The last Bronco came off the lines in 1996.
It's probably not as big as that for the F-150 or Silverado, but there are a number of folks who need something to carry loads in, but don't want something as big, bulky, or hard to maneuver as a full-size truck. I don't know if you have sampled a traditional full-sized American pickup or not, but they can be quite unwieldy to maneuver ad park at close quarters. That's one reason why they are so popular on large-sized features as construction projects, ranches, and farms.
Also of interest, I think, will be the new 2-door Bronco that will (reportedly) be coming from the same plant. An ex-co-worker of mine has been waiting 20 years for a new Bronco, even if this one will be a little smaller. The last Bronco came off the lines in 1996.
I am not sure why you think there is such a large market for smaller trucks.
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12-04-15, 11:14 PM
#280
Full size trucks, especially 1/2 tons, have gotten a lot bigger over the years. Go park a 2016 Silverado next to a 1996 or 1986 truck and the size difference is huge. The one thing I liked about the old trucks, at least the old 2wd trucks, is the bed was low enough for you to reach over the side and put something in it. Not the case anymore.
12-05-15, 01:31 AM
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Full size trucks, especially 1/2 tons, have gotten a lot bigger over the years. Go park a 2016 Silverado next to a 1996 or 1986 truck and the size difference is huge. The one thing I liked about the old trucks, at least the old 2wd trucks, is the bed was low enough for you to reach over the side and put something in it. Not the case anymore.
12-05-15, 02:25 PM
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I am generally pretty easy going on the Tacoma and I do rather like the vehicle from the past. In fact I have owned for a few years, it was a good truck but I would not called it great
I have changed tune on the 2016 Tacoma.
WHAT A STUNNING DISAPPOINTMENT!
The new 2016 is borderline fraud if Toyota is calling it a new truck.
Think Toyota Avalon refresh from 2011-2012.
I saw two of them at the dealer today while getting service. Didn't get to sit in it.
Nevermind it has the same frame and chassis from before, the most telling thing about the vehicle and how disappointing it was is that if you look at the photos online, the exterior B-pillar has been blacked out with TAPE.
Also, the seat cushion still lacks height adjustment.
I only have looked at the Toyota Canada spec version, Toyota has raised the price for the same trim level as before by $5000 in some instances. The new Limited is not $52,500 out the door!
Shame on you Toyota!
I have changed tune on the 2016 Tacoma.
WHAT A STUNNING DISAPPOINTMENT!
The new 2016 is borderline fraud if Toyota is calling it a new truck.
Think Toyota Avalon refresh from 2011-2012.
I saw two of them at the dealer today while getting service. Didn't get to sit in it.
Nevermind it has the same frame and chassis from before, the most telling thing about the vehicle and how disappointing it was is that if you look at the photos online, the exterior B-pillar has been blacked out with TAPE.
Also, the seat cushion still lacks height adjustment.
I only have looked at the Toyota Canada spec version, Toyota has raised the price for the same trim level as before by $5000 in some instances. The new Limited is not $52,500 out the door!
Shame on you Toyota!
Well, not exactly a refresh. The changes they did to it for MY2009, counts as a refresh. Not even the front end changes for MY2012 I would call a refresh, but moreover a moderate facelift. This is heavy facelift, if not an evolutionary redesign with recycling components.
Now, this is where I have some news. The new Tacoma will end production in July 2022, so this where life-cycles get muddled and whether or not this was meant to truly be a Full Model Change or heavy facelift like the MY2016 Lexus LX or MY2013 LS.
Well, I now had the chance to sit in the new Tacomas, I would not call it cheaply done as mmarshall says, I would say that its simply competitive within the tiny segment that it competes in. It's the same materials as the Tundra. It's not bad and its not great, its somewhere in between. Not even sure if I would call it good. It's definitely better than the GM trucks and what its got going for it is the design layout of the interior.
Here is an area that I will agree with mmarshall for the first time about the hood. The hood needs struts as it is too difficult to open and it is VERY heavy.
Now, what is interesting is that I was not able to unlock the latch with one finger. I believe Toyota designed the little lever to require to hands as the latch just does not go far enough with one hand. If that hatch falls on your fingers, you will have a serious injury. It is really heavy.
I am going to make a prediction, at some point Toyota will recall the Tacoma because of the hood and injuries and we will see some alternative.
Here is an area that I will agree with mmarshall for the first time about the hood. The hood needs struts as it is too difficult to open and it is VERY heavy.
Now, what is interesting is that I was not able to unlock the latch with one finger. I believe Toyota designed the little lever to require to hands as the latch just does not go far enough with one hand. If that hatch falls on your fingers, you will have a serious injury. It is really heavy.
I am going to make a prediction, at some point Toyota will recall the Tacoma because of the hood and injuries and we will see some alternative.
I figure a minor model update is due for MY2018, ahead of a facelift is planned in late 2019 for MY2020.It won't be "soon" in the sense of next week or month. But, given the Ford negotiations with the UAW and the work of the product-planners, it will be in the not-too-distant future, maybe 2017 for the 2018 model year.
Also of interest, I think, will be the new 2-door Bronco that will (reportedly) be coming from the same plant. An ex-co-worker of mine has been waiting 20 years for a new Bronco, even if this one will be a little smaller. The last Bronco came off the lines in 1996.
It's probably not as big as that for the F-150 or Silverado, but there are a number of folks who need something to carry loads in, but don't want something as big, bulky, or hard to maneuver as a full-size truck. I don't know if you have sampled a traditional full-sized American pickup or not, but they can be quite unwieldy to maneuver ad park at close quarters. That's one reason why they are so popular on large-sized features as construction projects, ranches, and farms.
Also of interest, I think, will be the new 2-door Bronco that will (reportedly) be coming from the same plant. An ex-co-worker of mine has been waiting 20 years for a new Bronco, even if this one will be a little smaller. The last Bronco came off the lines in 1996.
It's probably not as big as that for the F-150 or Silverado, but there are a number of folks who need something to carry loads in, but don't want something as big, bulky, or hard to maneuver as a full-size truck. I don't know if you have sampled a traditional full-sized American pickup or not, but they can be quite unwieldy to maneuver ad park at close quarters. That's one reason why they are so popular on large-sized features as construction projects, ranches, and farms.
The new Bronco will be nothing like that of the one that ran from 1977-1979 and 1979-1996. Ford cancelled plans to redesign the Bronco after final approval of the UN-193 Expedition in 1993 and refuse to base one on the F-Series again.
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12-05-15, 03:24 PM
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In a nutshell, for 2016 Toyota swapped in a set of tried-and-true transmissions, fitted a Lexus V6 under the hood, tweaked the frame and formed it out of stronger steel and covered it in new sheetmetal. On the inside we get a new dashboard, infotainment systems from the Highlander and a steering wheel from the larger Tundra. If you're a Taco man, that's all you need to know before you run out and buy one. For the rest of us, join me as we dive deep into the latest "Taco."
12-05-15, 03:35 PM
#284
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Excellent observations CTJill, as it is similar to how I feel about it. They had an ample 11 years total to wait and study the market, then react midway through that. Instead spent a measly 4 years to develop this.
Well, not exactly a refresh. The changes they did to it for MY2009, counts as a refresh. Not even the front end changes for MY2012 I would call a refresh, but moreover a moderate facelift. This is heavy facelift, if not an evolutionary redesign with recycling components.
Now, this is where I have some news. The new Tacoma will end production in July 2022, so this where life-cycles get muddled and whether or not this was meant to truly be a Full Model Change or heavy facelift like the MY2016 Lexus LX or MY2013 LS.
I agree, it is not cheaply done. It is more solid and composed than the outgoing Tacoma, but I will say the Canyon does have an edge in interior quality. I spent some time in the Colorado at NYIAS and in L.A., feeling it is not really better than the Tacoma.
Interesting information, thanks for sharing. I figure a minor model update is due for MY2018, ahead of a facelift is planned in late 2019 for MY2020.
I have on my recent U.S. trip and it does look better in person. I really hate the grille design though.
It won't compete with the Tacoma in anywhere else outside of North America, but you are mostly right.
He technically isn't wrong, as the Tacoma competes with the Ranger in Mexico. I mostly agree, as the despite some grey-market Tacoma exports, the Hilux is sold locally everywhere outside of the US. Mexico is the only market that sells both the Tacoma and Hilux.
It is for the 2019 model year, not 2017 nor 2018. The next generation Ranger design has been approved, which will be the one that makes it to the US. They require 30 months from approval for that one (same happened with current Ranger from 2008 to 2011), so one should start seeing mules soon. The current one, which just received a facelift, will not make it here ever. On occasion I have seen a few pre-facelift examples in El Paso, TX, mostly from Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua.
The new Bronco will be nothing like that of the one that ran from 1977-1979 and 1979-1996. Ford cancelled plans to redesign the Bronco after final approval of the UN-193 Expedition in 1993.
Well, not exactly a refresh. The changes they did to it for MY2009, counts as a refresh. Not even the front end changes for MY2012 I would call a refresh, but moreover a moderate facelift. This is heavy facelift, if not an evolutionary redesign with recycling components.
Now, this is where I have some news. The new Tacoma will end production in July 2022, so this where life-cycles get muddled and whether or not this was meant to truly be a Full Model Change or heavy facelift like the MY2016 Lexus LX or MY2013 LS.
I agree, it is not cheaply done. It is more solid and composed than the outgoing Tacoma, but I will say the Canyon does have an edge in interior quality. I spent some time in the Colorado at NYIAS and in L.A., feeling it is not really better than the Tacoma.
Interesting information, thanks for sharing.
I figure a minor model update is due for MY2018, ahead of a facelift is planned in late 2019 for MY2020.I have on my recent U.S. trip and it does look better in person. I really hate the grille design though.
It won't compete with the Tacoma in anywhere else outside of North America, but you are mostly right.
He technically isn't wrong, as the Tacoma competes with the Ranger in Mexico. I mostly agree, as the despite some grey-market Tacoma exports, the Hilux is sold locally everywhere outside of the US. Mexico is the only market that sells both the Tacoma and Hilux.
It is for the 2019 model year, not 2017 nor 2018. The next generation Ranger design has been approved, which will be the one that makes it to the US. They require 30 months from approval for that one (same happened with current Ranger from 2008 to 2011), so one should start seeing mules soon. The current one, which just received a facelift, will not make it here ever. On occasion I have seen a few pre-facelift examples in El Paso, TX, mostly from Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua.
The new Bronco will be nothing like that of the one that ran from 1977-1979 and 1979-1996. Ford cancelled plans to redesign the Bronco after final approval of the UN-193 Expedition in 1993.
12-05-15, 05:26 PM
#285
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The new Bronco will be nothing like that of the one that ran from 1977-1979 and 1979-1996. Ford cancelled plans to redesign the Bronco after final approval of the UN-193 Expedition in 1993 and refuse to base one on the F-Series again.