It's not like current M production line has any remarkable suspension in their cars.

Current M5 and M3 doesn't handle as well as previous Gen.

 

money talks

 

Hyundai Elantra 5.0 r-spec Ftw

 

Exactly. So much more potential and product line growth with Hyundai.

 

Well, right now, as far as German fanboys go, with BMW losing its steam and Audi on the upswing, Mercedes is probably considered the top-rated luxury brand (a big step up from just a few years ago and their notorious unreliability). But, of course, in most cases, a M-B product will also cost significantly more than a Hyundai.

 

The biggest changes for the Genesis centers on its handling dynamics. Hyundai partnered with the gurus at Lotus for this new generation's development, but, technically, this model is not Lotus-tuned. Rather, the Brits acted more as consultants who helped to translate consumer desires into engineering terms.

Try again good sir.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/08/2...w-first-drive/

 

Even on the more performance-oriented 5.0L RWD version (which I reviewed) ride smoothness is markedly improved over the previous version. But it does not have what I'd call sport-sedan handling by any means......it is clearly (now) much more comfort-oriented than sport-oriented.

 

I think what's interesting is that I never thought that a Sonata or Optima would get my attention on styling alone. But these are fwd cars. When Hyundai intro'd the Genesis, it was an astonishing leap.

Anytime I hear a Bimmer 5 series compared to a Genesis, that's going to be interesting. What's happened is that the German car manufacturers stopped building solid reliable cars. Who is going to own a 3 or 5 without a warranty.

I don't think the Asian cars are quite there yet but in a matter of three decades, they've done a heck of a turn on the Germans. Lexus led the charge but stopped paying attention after that.

 

Yes it does offer a very luxurious ride and has many references made toward the Lexus LS. Although one wouldn't call it a sport luxury sedan (hopefully a new Genesis R-Spec is in the works) it can certainly hold its own in the twistes. Despite being 400 lbs heavier and the non R-Spec version it nearly matches the grip and handling of the last gen R-Spec (.87g vs .86g) but with a ride leaps and bounds more composed.

As far as handling dynamics I seems like they were talking about overall driving dynamics.

 

There's no need to try again-I was right. I specifically said "helped" and not "tuned". One only needs to look at the just released Kia Sedona to see that they still don't get it across model lines.

About the Genesis- As Car and Driver pointed out below, the car was significantly improved after Lotus was brought in. Talent doesn't just encompass the physical ability to make changes, but the ability to take the whole picture into perspective.

That's no small contribution. It was Lotus who told them how to put the pieces together. Hyundai carried out the recommendations.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2015-hy...oit-auto-show/

 

i have no idea how in the world do you get to call RC-F a "farce" while i8 is "huge step forward".

It makes no sense and it is not grounded in reality at all.

There is no need to automatically assume worst about Lexus and glorify literally everyone else.

RC-F was built from grounds up as RC-F model, with 100% backing from corporate... GS-F is being revealed next month and IS-F/LS-F are rumored to be coming in next years.

Everything we have known for past 3-4 years is that corporate is actually 100% behind push of new sporty models, sport versions, and every decision they make is based on that. Everything else is complete misinformation.

So I have no idea why should we call RC-F a "farce" and 3cly BMW a "huge step forward", and why would you think that Hyundai is going to do more than F brand, which is actually impossible in next 10-15 years.

 

Please re-read, more carefully this time - I said the "low production volume of the RC-F is a farce" (highlight added). I made no commentary about the RC-F itself, which I think has proven to be an excellent car.

If you don't skip key parts of my sentences, hopefully you'll understand that my point was not "to automatically assume worst about Lexus and glorify literally everyone else", but instead to point out that it is very hard for individuals - even those who are capable of designing cars as good as the IS-F/RC-F/LFA/etc. - to institute change within large corporations if they do not have the backing of the people who run the show. That's why I think expectations for Albert Biermann at Hyundai should be tempered.

 

Hows i8 or GT high volume and RC-F low?

And how is Lexus not backing F, when they are fully backing F and they completely changed their priorities that push such cars.

You are simply incorrect.

At the same time you are expecting that Hyundai is changing their company around hiring one engineer.

Pretty much confirms what I said.

 

This may help the brand, but I doubt it will make any changes in the sales department. Just look at Lexus, to this day, many people cannot accept Lexus as performance / sport oriented brand. Even after the release of the LFA. What other asian brand ever released a car like that? Lexus is also more prestige than Hyundai. So, I think it will take many years until Hyundai will get recognized.

 

The Koreans can have their own Operation Paper Clip and ****** all the German engineers, maybe it will leave some ordinary guys in Germany to give German cars some soul. Nobody thought it would ever happen, but today the Japanese make a much more "charactered" car than the Europeans and very reliable as well.
By the way I'm not Japanese, but from European descent.