2016 Cadillac CT6 (Page 4)
01-29-16, 10:14 AM
#166
I don't like hearing this "Cadillac was the standard of the world" lingo, it never was. That was always Mercedes Benz.
I agree that Cadillac has been trying to out-German the Germans and that hasn't worked because people don't want to buy a knockoff German can when they can buy a real one. Cadillac hasn't shown that they can compete with the Germans on a consistent basis either, just look at how many years they've lagged behind in the compact and midsize SUV segments. They are already years behind when it comes to the A3/CLA/2-series segment.
Anyhow it will be interesting to see how things unfold with the CT6, but again I don't feel it has many advantages over the E-class, 5-series, etc. which are priced the same as the CT6. Sure, the CT6 is a tweener that is trying to offer the amenities of a full-size sedan at the price of a mid-size sedan, but what exactly does it have (besides more legroom) that warrants it a look over that beautiful new E-class? It can still sell well I suppose, but to a different demographic than somebody who only cross shops German cars.
I agree that Cadillac has been trying to out-German the Germans and that hasn't worked because people don't want to buy a knockoff German can when they can buy a real one. Cadillac hasn't shown that they can compete with the Germans on a consistent basis either, just look at how many years they've lagged behind in the compact and midsize SUV segments. They are already years behind when it comes to the A3/CLA/2-series segment.
Anyhow it will be interesting to see how things unfold with the CT6, but again I don't feel it has many advantages over the E-class, 5-series, etc. which are priced the same as the CT6. Sure, the CT6 is a tweener that is trying to offer the amenities of a full-size sedan at the price of a mid-size sedan, but what exactly does it have (besides more legroom) that warrants it a look over that beautiful new E-class? It can still sell well I suppose, but to a different demographic than somebody who only cross shops German cars.
01-29-16, 10:29 AM
#167
By the time General Motors purchased the company in 1909 Cadillac had already established itself as one of America's premier luxury carmakers. The complete interchangeability of its precision parts had allowed it to lay the foundation for the modern mass production of automobiles. It was at the forefront of technological advances, introducing including full electrical systems, the clashless manual transmission and the steel roof. The brand developed three engines, with its V8 setting the standard for the American automotive industry.
Cadillac was the first American car to win the Royal Automobile Club of England's Dewar Trophy by successfully demonstrating the interchangeability of its component parts during a reliability test in 1908; this spawned the firm's slogan "Standard of the World". It won the trophy again in 1912 for incorporating electric starting and lighting in a production automobile.
Cadillac pioneered the dual-plane V8 crankshaft in 1918. In 1928 Cadillac introduced the first clashless Synchro-Mesh manual transmission, utilizing constant mesh gears. In 1930 Cadillac implemented the first V-16 engine, with a 45-degree overhead valve, 452 cubic inches (7.41 litres), and 165 horsepower (123 kW), one of the most powerful and quietest engines in the United States. The development and introduction of the V8, V16 and V-12 helped to make Cadillac the "Standard of the World". A later model of the V8 engine, known as the overhead valve, set the standard for the entire American automotive industry in 1949.
Cadillac was the first American car to win the Royal Automobile Club of England's Dewar Trophy by successfully demonstrating the interchangeability of its component parts during a reliability test in 1908; this spawned the firm's slogan "Standard of the World". It won the trophy again in 1912 for incorporating electric starting and lighting in a production automobile.
Cadillac pioneered the dual-plane V8 crankshaft in 1918. In 1928 Cadillac introduced the first clashless Synchro-Mesh manual transmission, utilizing constant mesh gears. In 1930 Cadillac implemented the first V-16 engine, with a 45-degree overhead valve, 452 cubic inches (7.41 litres), and 165 horsepower (123 kW), one of the most powerful and quietest engines in the United States. The development and introduction of the V8, V16 and V-12 helped to make Cadillac the "Standard of the World". A later model of the V8 engine, known as the overhead valve, set the standard for the entire American automotive industry in 1949.
Lots of game changers
01-29-16, 10:39 AM
#168
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01-29-16, 10:42 AM
#169
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to name a couple...
it created the best auto trans in the world, used by many others over time, including bmw.
it created the world's best suspension (magneride) used by many others over time, including ferrari.
not taking anything away from mb, which has an amazing number of automotive firsts.
01-29-16, 10:53 AM
#170
Lexus Fanatic
Though most of them are admittedly not spring chickens any more, the idea that the former DTS, Town Car, and Buick Lucerne owners are all dying off is an inaccurate stereotype. Many of them have got a lot more years left than they realize.
Last edited by mmarshall; 01-29-16 at 11:00 AM.
01-29-16, 10:56 AM
#171
^ Cadillac was the first to introduce night vision, back in 2000 on the Deville DTS. They popularized the whole luxury SUV craze back in the early 00's(credit to Lincoln, Lexus, and Range Rover for doing it 1st though) as well.
As far as what Cadillac needs to do differently to distinguish itself, IMO the answer lies under the hood of the Corvette. Just make that awesome 450hp LT1 V8(or a lower powered derivative) optional across the whole car line, both in luxury and sporty V trims. Market the hell out of how your V8 makes more power and still gets great fuel economy. I would line up all day long for a 400hp V8 ATS for about $50,000.
Just because I want a V8 in my Cadillac doesn't mean I want an Escalade or a $90,000 CTS-V with a harsh ride that scares the beejeesus out of me and turns on the traction control light every time I floor it(I still want a CTS-V, but it isnt' a car for everybody)
Cadillac needs to offer you more than what the competition is giving you for the same price. The only real thing that Cadillac has that's better is the handling, and most people aren't going to even notice that on a typical suburban test drive or on their daily commute unless they live in some place like Asheville NC
As far as what Cadillac needs to do differently to distinguish itself, IMO the answer lies under the hood of the Corvette. Just make that awesome 450hp LT1 V8(or a lower powered derivative) optional across the whole car line, both in luxury and sporty V trims. Market the hell out of how your V8 makes more power and still gets great fuel economy. I would line up all day long for a 400hp V8 ATS for about $50,000.
Just because I want a V8 in my Cadillac doesn't mean I want an Escalade or a $90,000 CTS-V with a harsh ride that scares the beejeesus out of me and turns on the traction control light every time I floor it(I still want a CTS-V, but it isnt' a car for everybody)
Cadillac needs to offer you more than what the competition is giving you for the same price. The only real thing that Cadillac has that's better is the handling, and most people aren't going to even notice that on a typical suburban test drive or on their daily commute unless they live in some place like Asheville NC
Last edited by Aron9000; 01-29-16 at 11:12 AM.
01-29-16, 11:03 AM
#172
Lexus Fanatic
Just because I want a V8 in my Cadillac doesn't mean I want an Escalade or a $90,000 CTS-V with a harsh ride that scares the beejeesus out of me and turns on the traction control light every time I floor it.
Cadillac needs to offer you more than what the competition is giving you for the same price. The only real thing that Cadillac has that's better is the handling, and most people aren't going to even notice that on a typical suburban test drive or on their daily commute unless they live in some place like Asheville NC
Cadillac needs to offer you more than what the competition is giving you for the same price. The only real thing that Cadillac has that's better is the handling, and most people aren't going to even notice that on a typical suburban test drive or on their daily commute unless they live in some place like Asheville NC
Exactly what I've been saying for years.
01-29-16, 11:50 AM
#173
Lead Lap
Cadillac will never get credited for this because it was rightfully credited to the supplier, then GM-owned Delphi.Cadillac engineers didn't have anything to do with it besides placing it on the STS first. Delphi has now been absorbed by Beijing West Industries, which is why Cadillac receives no income from other makes using the tech.
01-29-16, 11:55 AM
#174
Lexus Fanatic
Cadillac will never get credited for this because it was rightfully credited to the supplier, then GM-owned Delphi.Cadillac engineers didn't have anything to do with it besides placing it on the STS first. Delphi has now been absorbed by Beijing West Industries, which is why Cadillac receives no income from other makes using the tech.
01-29-16, 01:48 PM
#175
Lexus Fanatic
^ Cadillac needs to offer you more than what the competition is giving you for the same price. The only real thing that Cadillac has that's better is the handling, and most people aren't going to even notice that on a typical suburban test drive or on their daily commute unless they live in some place like Asheville NC
The Escalade offers this already, its the best full size luxo truck in the class, it lives up to the prestige of what high end buyers want.
This new CT6 is going to be awesome, and I have a suspicion that it is going to win a big comparo with the likes of Audi/BMW/MB and Genesis.
01-29-16, 02:40 PM
#176
Lexus Fanatic
, any lingering memories of the junk-Hyundais of the 80s ad 90s. I also got a look at the new Continental's actual production interior (not the Concept) at the D.C. Auto Show, though not as good as i had hoped (it is up on a turntable) (and I'll be going back again this weekend)...and I can say with some certainty that IMO I thought Lincoln did an even better job inside than the CT6.
But, Hey, I'm still keeping an open mind on it. If either the CT6 or Continental beat any of those other cars you mention in a comparo, more power to them.
I myself plan test-drives/reviews of both the Continental and CT6 when available in my area.
Last edited by mmarshall; 01-29-16 at 02:44 PM.
01-29-16, 02:44 PM
#177
01-29-16, 02:50 PM
#178
Lexus Fanatic
Agreed. The conventional thinking among automakers (and in the auto-press) seems to be that traditional American luxury and bling just doesn't sell any more, that today's younger buyers don't want it, and that it is outdated and part of the past. The Escalade, IMO, debunks that idea (and we will soon see if the new Continental also does....it's a good example of American bling updated to 2016 standards).
01-29-16, 04:56 PM
#179
Lexus Fanatic
I agree with you that the CT6 is a nice job, but it is going to have its work cut out for it against the new Genesis. if you have not had a chance to test-drive a Genesis 5.0L, I strongly recommend it. (and, unlike us in the U.S., your dealers in Canada can also get the 5.0L AWD version). That car should finally put to rest, once and for all (even with unbelieved) , any lingering memories of the junk-Hyundais of the 80s ad 90s.
I also got a look at the new Continental's actual production interior (not the Concept) at the D.C. Auto Show, though not as good as i had hoped (it is up on a turntable) (and I'll be going back again this weekend)...and I can say with some certainty that IMO I thought Lincoln did an even better job inside than the CT6.
But, Hey, I'm still keeping an open mind on it. If either the CT6 or Continental beat any of those other cars you mention in a comparo, more power to them.
I myself plan test-drives/reviews of both the Continental and CT6 when available in my area.
, any lingering memories of the junk-Hyundais of the 80s ad 90s. I also got a look at the new Continental's actual production interior (not the Concept) at the D.C. Auto Show, though not as good as i had hoped (it is up on a turntable) (and I'll be going back again this weekend)...and I can say with some certainty that IMO I thought Lincoln did an even better job inside than the CT6.
But, Hey, I'm still keeping an open mind on it. If either the CT6 or Continental beat any of those other cars you mention in a comparo, more power to them.
I myself plan test-drives/reviews of both the Continental and CT6 when available in my area.
As for ride, its good excellent praise already and the car is quiet. This CT6 will be fine.
01-29-16, 04:59 PM
#180
Lexus Fanatic
Agreed. The conventional thinking among automakers (and in the auto-press) seems to be that traditional American luxury and bling just doesn't sell any more, that today's younger buyers don't want it, and that it is outdated and part of the past. The Escalade, IMO, debunks that idea (and we will soon see if the new Continental also does....it's a good example of American bling updated to 2016 standards).