2016 Cadillac CT6 (Page 4)
#211
Lexus Fanatic
The Lincoln people at the show quoted about the same starting price for the Continental (53K), but did not comment on the highest possible prices.
#212
Lexus Fanatic
Because as Jill says, it limits prestige. Limo companies can buy whatever cars they want, the only reason all of them have been Lincolns and Cadillacs is for many years they have had really low fleet pricing that appeals to these livery companies...thats why those cars are used. If Lexus....or Mercedes...or whoever had those fleet deals too they would use them.
I don't remember the exact price, but I think he took it home for around 41K out the door.
When you pull up to the Waldorf in NYC in your prestigious luxury sedan, do you want people to think you're a guest at the hotel or a limo driver picking up a guest at the hotel?
When someone spends $70,000+ on a flagship luxury sedan, image is a very important component in that purchase. A luxury purchase is at its core not just a purchase of "substance". You yourself are not a consumer in this segment, because that wouldn't matter to you is immaterial.
I agree that MT didn't mean the Town Car comment to be a derision of the car.
#213
Lexus Fanatic
That's by choice....not necessity. I could easily afford a more expensive car if I wanted to. I'd rather spend less on a new car every 4-5 years than really splurge and have to keep it longer to make up. besides, I felt the Verano was better-built than many more expensive Buicks and Cadillacs. That was simply a judgement call on my part.
#214
Lexus Fanatic
Any sort of fleet sale is the wrong idea for the CT6. XTS fine, I can accept. As for the CT6, another issue of perception and image is the fact that the hybrid model is going to be made in China and exported to the USA. Just the idea of China will make it a tough sale to the upper class type of buyer.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-24-16 at 05:41 PM.
#215
Lexus Fanatic
And with Cadillac being the quintessential American luxury car the idea of them being built anywhere else doesn't seem right...
#216
Lexus Fanatic
Any sort of fleet sale is the wrong idea for the CT6. XTS fine, I can accept. As for the CT6, another issue of perception and image is the fact that the hybrid model is going to be made in China and exported to the USA. Just the idea of China will make it a tough sale to the upper class type of buyer.
#217
Lexus Fanatic
Any sort of fleet sale is the wrong idea for the CT6. XTS fine, I can accept. As for the CT6, another issue of perception and image is the fact that the hybrid model is going to be made in China and exported to the USA. Just the idea of China will make it a tough sale to the upper class type of buyer.
And, since you're on the subject of "superior cars", look at what J.D. Power just published: There's a thread on it elsewhere here in Car Chat that Hoovey posted:.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ml#post9381028
2016 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study
Compact car
Highest Ranked: Buick Verano
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Prius
#218
Lexus Fanatic
But the buying public does judge a car based on prestige...and thats what we're talking about here...how the car will perform with the buying public in its target market. Cadillac has shown that they can build a car that can draw critical acclaim, but that hasn't translated into real sales success yet. Why is that? Because buyers are selecting cars they feel are better cars at the price points these Cadillacs are listed at. If the Cadillac wins the tests and is quantifiably a better car...why are consumers not buying them? Their perception of the brand for the value.
And please...lets not also make this a conversation about Buick and the Verano. Seriously at this point they should just add "Verano" to the list of blocked words for the forum.
And please...lets not also make this a conversation about Buick and the Verano. Seriously at this point they should just add "Verano" to the list of blocked words for the forum.
#219
Lexus Fanatic
But the buying public does judge a car based on prestige...and thats what we're talking about here...how the car will perform with the buying public in its target market. Cadillac has shown that they can build a car that can draw critical acclaim, but that hasn't translated into real sales success yet. Why is that? Because buyers are selecting cars they feel are better cars at the price points these Cadillacs are listed at. If the Cadillac wins the tests and is quantifiably a better car...why are consumers not buying them? Their perception of the brand for the value.
And please...lets not also make this a conversation about Buick and the Verano. Seriously at this point they should just add "Verano" to the list of blocked words for the forum.
#220
But the buying public does judge a car based on prestige...and thats what we're talking about here...how the car will perform with the buying public in its target market. Cadillac has shown that they can build a car that can draw critical acclaim, but that hasn't translated into real sales success yet. Why is that? Because buyers are selecting cars they feel are better cars at the price points these Cadillacs are listed at. If the Cadillac wins the tests and is quantifiably a better car...why are consumers not buying them? Their perception of the brand for the value.
Lexus went through that period, and even now still does with some models, and it has worked well for them in terms of moving inventory and developing a brand. You have to have the cars on the road before people can take you seriously.
#221
Lexus Champion
But the buying public does judge a car based on prestige...and thats what we're talking about here...how the car will perform with the buying public in its target market. Cadillac has shown that they can build a car that can draw critical acclaim, but that hasn't translated into real sales success yet. Why is that? Because buyers are selecting cars they feel are better cars at the price points these Cadillacs are listed at. If the Cadillac wins the tests and is quantifiably a better car...why are consumers not buying them? Their perception of the brand for the value.
And please...lets not also make this a conversation about Buick and the Verano. Seriously at this point they should just add "Verano" to the list of blocked words for the forum.
And please...lets not also make this a conversation about Buick and the Verano. Seriously at this point they should just add "Verano" to the list of blocked words for the forum.
Thank you! Also no mention of being built on an Opel platform.
#222
Lexus Fanatic
#224
Lexus Fanatic
Exactly. Cadillac should have bitten the bullet and spent a few years pricing their cars under their competitors (even if they are equally as good) to give themselves an edge and grow their brand through 1) people seeing them on the road and 2) having satisfied owners spread the word to others. Instead, they priced in the same market range without having the brand cache to back it up.
Lexus went through that period, and even now still does with some models, and it has worked well for them in terms of moving inventory and developing a brand. You have to have the cars on the road before people can take you seriously.
Lexus went through that period, and even now still does with some models, and it has worked well for them in terms of moving inventory and developing a brand. You have to have the cars on the road before people can take you seriously.
As for Lexus, I think they are going to take the next steps with the LS and LC and move those MSRP further up market. They seem to believe the Lexus brand cam achieve the price increase. And I think they will be right.
#225
I agree and I also disagree. Cadillac took a big swing and it didn't produce the hit they thought it would. When I first saw the CTS (MT car of the year) I was just blown away......but as time passed, I still thought the Audi/MB/BMW and the Lexus brand was far superior. Looking back, the prices should of been cheaper to start with, but it was a risk to take that dodnt pay off.
As for Lexus, I think they are going to take the next steps with the LS and LC and move those MSRP further up market. They seem to believe the Lexus brand cam achieve the price increase. And I think they will be right.
As for Lexus, I think they are going to take the next steps with the LS and LC and move those MSRP further up market. They seem to believe the Lexus brand cam achieve the price increase. And I think they will be right.