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Old 03-07-15, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
What exact engines have they been using for the last 15 years?
The 250 and 350 V6 may not be on the market 15 years, but almost 10 years by now, they were for sure developed about 15 years ago. I had the IS 250 back in 2006 and that V6 was not anything special even then. The only brand in Europe that I know works with that old parts is the Romanian Dacia, which uses leftovers from the french and italian low budgets cars and costs about 9000 dollars brand new.
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Old 03-07-15, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Bond
The 250 and 350 V6 may not be on the market 15 years, but almost 10 years by now, they were for sure developed about 15 years ago. I had the IS 250 back in 2006 and that V6 was not anything special even then. The only brand in Europe that I know works with that old parts is the Romanian Dacia, which uses leftovers from the french and italian low budgets cars and costs about 9000 dollars brand new.
So I asked again, which Toyota motor is still being used for the last 15 years?
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Old 03-07-15, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Bond
I had the IS 250 back in 2006 and that V6 was not anything special even then.
Well, in one sense, it IS something special. Small-displacement V6s are relatively hard to find in the U.S., outside of the Lexus IS250 and now-discontinued Infiniti G25. These small-displacement V6s, IMO, though not terribly powerful, make good replacements for some of the less-refined four-bangers. Buick, Lincoln, and some other upscale makes, IMO, should be using them in their entry-level products, and, unfortunately, don't.


The only brand in Europe that I know works with that old parts is the Romanian Dacia, which uses leftovers from the french and italian low budgets cars and costs about 9000 dollars brand new.
Dacias, IMO, actually make sense for those who just want base transportation, don't have much money to spend, are willing to forgo technology and convenience items, and don't mind rolling up their own windows, locking their own doors, and manually-adjusting their seats and mirrors. Here in the U.S., even base-level Kia Rios and Hyundai Accents often come with at least some of those power-operated features.

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Dacias
And with them being a part of the Renault-Nissan alliance, they can get from their parts bin too....
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, in one sense, it IS something special. Small-displacement V6s are relatively hard to find in the U.S., outside of the Lexus IS250 and now-discontinued Infiniti G25. These small-displacement V6s, IMO, though not terribly powerful, make good replacements for some of the less-refined four-bangers. Buick, Lincoln, and some other upscale makes, IMO, should be using them in their entry-level products, and, unfortunately, don't.
big reason for that is fuel economy. I'd take a 2.4L i4 making 204 HP over the IS250's V6 if i'm getting 31MPG hwy with the 4 banger.
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Originally Posted by Aron9000
That is part of the reason. If a problem has two solutions, a simple, durable, simpler part vs a more expensive, more complex, more failure prone part that does a "slightly" better job, they'll approve the more complex solution every time, even if it is an expensive liability 5-10 years down the road.
how appropriate timing
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/panzerk...183042309.html
But perhaps the Tiger’s greatest weakness was its over-design, which caused frequent and time-consuming breakdowns.
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Old 03-09-15, 01:02 PM
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Just dont see how they are the ultimate when they cost more than Japanese cars and break down WAY more. ( People who want to argue can google the millions of objective references online). I
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