2017 Lincoln Continental
01-17-16, 03:00 PM
#181
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Lexus doesn't pump simulated sound in. They use an intake sound generator that creates a real intake note and directs it back at the cabin. The LS F Sport has two actually. The base LS doesn't use one.
Every car doesn't have to be the same. Just because other cars aren't like the LS doesn't mean the LS has to be like other cars. I have no issue with the LS and ES continuing to be ride focused cars while the rest of the range moves more dynamic in direction.
What I don't want to see is the LS become more like say a 7 Series than an S Class in terms of ride. The good news is modern suspensions can make cars sharper without the ride trade off you always used to have.
As for being floaty, it's true that the LS isn't really a floaty car, never has been. It's actually pretty firm, it is just very smooth, refined with very low levels of NVH which contributes to its great ride.
Every car doesn't have to be the same. Just because other cars aren't like the LS doesn't mean the LS has to be like other cars. I have no issue with the LS and ES continuing to be ride focused cars while the rest of the range moves more dynamic in direction.
What I don't want to see is the LS become more like say a 7 Series than an S Class in terms of ride. The good news is modern suspensions can make cars sharper without the ride trade off you always used to have.
As for being floaty, it's true that the LS isn't really a floaty car, never has been. It's actually pretty firm, it is just very smooth, refined with very low levels of NVH which contributes to its great ride.
01-17-16, 03:22 PM
#182
Lexus Champion
01-17-16, 03:48 PM
#183
Lexus Fanatic
I have read that it is a digitized sound via speakers. I would not be surprised if most manufacturers have added this feature. There is nothing really wrong with it IMO. I think it further supports the idea that sport and handing is what is currently trending.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-17-16 at 03:54 PM.
01-17-16, 04:49 PM
#184
Lexus Fanatic
This is the intake sound generator found on the IS, GS, and LS F Sport:
01-17-16, 05:00 PM
#185
Lexus Champion
^^^An intake sound generator is also on the new RX F Sport.
01-17-16, 05:30 PM
#186
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01-17-16, 05:33 PM
#187
Lexus Fanatic
01-17-16, 05:39 PM
#188
Lexus Fanatic
I'n not sure I quite understand all this fascination with exhaust noise when people buy cars in this class for their effective sound insulation and the ability to ride quietly. If you want a car that rolls down the road like a sealed-up cocoon (the Lexus LS460 and Mercedes S550 are good examples of that), then why complain if the engine doesn't have a Mustang or Camaro-like exhaust burble?
01-17-16, 05:41 PM
#189
Lexus Fanatic
I'n not sure I quite understand all this fascination with exhaust noise when people buy cars in this class for their effective sound insulation and the ability to ride quietly. If you want a car that rolls down the road like a sealed-up cocoon (the Lexus LS460 and Mercedes S550 are good examples of that), then why complain if the engine doesn't have a Mustang or Camaro-like exhaust burble?
01-17-16, 05:44 PM
#190
Lexus Fanatic
Because mmarshall, the manufacturer's are trying to sell the feeling of "sport" and " handling" even though the car may not actually have it. The NX for example has a small control to turn up the digitized engine sound to make you "hear" more noise. You get both of both worlds from the manufacturer's perspective while being very cost effective.
01-17-16, 07:11 PM
#191
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01-17-16, 07:44 PM
#192
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The best way to hear or direct intake, exhaust notes into the cabin is to roll down those wonderful devices called power windows.
But for fans of digital enhancement; here's the newest gimmick: when that airline flight takes off, you can pay extra to sit closer to the engines or further away. But if you are unlucky not to be close enough to those beautiful sounds - you can pay extra to have the sounds of a jet engine piped right into your seat. Headphones extra
But for fans of digital enhancement; here's the newest gimmick: when that airline flight takes off, you can pay extra to sit closer to the engines or further away. But if you are unlucky not to be close enough to those beautiful sounds - you can pay extra to have the sounds of a jet engine piped right into your seat. Headphones extra
01-17-16, 07:45 PM
#193
Lexus Fanatic
01-18-16, 09:06 AM
#194
One thing not discussed relative to the Continental is price. Based on a discussion I had with a Lincoln (ok, Ford) sales manager, the car will not be priced like the other "flagship" sedans being discussed. Officially, Ford has said that prices will start under $50K. If you read the text on the Lincoln website as they discuss the features, many are noted as "available" which I read as "optional at extra cost". If they follow the pricing model the used on the MDX, that would put the top end fully loaded MSRP around $70K. That's $15K cheaper than the CT6 Platinum, and over $30K cheaper than an S class or a 7 series and about in line with an E class or 5 series.
Lincoln did not take a big financial risk with this car. The chassis is a stretched Fusion/MKZ and the engines are versions of existing units with small changes in displacement. Cadillac, on the other hand put a great amount of effort into the CT6 design to keep the weight down and increase stiffness. The CT6 will almost certainly be more entertaining to drive, but if Lincoln gets their design right it will be smoother and quieter.
Smooth and quiet is a big issue in China where they expect to sell this car as is the 3 liter engine since there is a big tax hit on anything larger. Mike Marshall and I might get our smooth and quiet car as a fringe benefit of the Chinese market.
Steve
Lincoln did not take a big financial risk with this car. The chassis is a stretched Fusion/MKZ and the engines are versions of existing units with small changes in displacement. Cadillac, on the other hand put a great amount of effort into the CT6 design to keep the weight down and increase stiffness. The CT6 will almost certainly be more entertaining to drive, but if Lincoln gets their design right it will be smoother and quieter.
Smooth and quiet is a big issue in China where they expect to sell this car as is the 3 liter engine since there is a big tax hit on anything larger. Mike Marshall and I might get our smooth and quiet car as a fringe benefit of the Chinese market.
Steve
01-18-16, 07:37 PM
#195
One thing not discussed relative to the Continental is price. Based on a discussion I had with a Lincoln (ok, Ford) sales manager, the car will not be priced like the other "flagship" sedans being discussed. Officially, Ford has said that prices will start under $50K. If you read the text on the Lincoln website as they discuss the features, many are noted as "available" which I read as "optional at extra cost". If they follow the pricing model the used on the MDX, that would put the top end fully loaded MSRP around $70K. That's $15K cheaper than the CT6 Platinum, and over $30K cheaper than an S class or a 7 series and about in line with an E class or 5 series.
Lincoln did not take a big financial risk with this car. The chassis is a stretched Fusion/MKZ and the engines are versions of existing units with small changes in displacement. Cadillac, on the other hand put a great amount of effort into the CT6 design to keep the weight down and increase stiffness. The CT6 will almost certainly be more entertaining to drive, but if Lincoln gets their design right it will be smoother and quieter.
Smooth and quiet is a big issue in China where they expect to sell this car as is the 3 liter engine since there is a big tax hit on anything larger. Mike Marshall and I might get our smooth and quiet car as a fringe benefit of the Chinese market.
Steve
Lincoln did not take a big financial risk with this car. The chassis is a stretched Fusion/MKZ and the engines are versions of existing units with small changes in displacement. Cadillac, on the other hand put a great amount of effort into the CT6 design to keep the weight down and increase stiffness. The CT6 will almost certainly be more entertaining to drive, but if Lincoln gets their design right it will be smoother and quieter.
Smooth and quiet is a big issue in China where they expect to sell this car as is the 3 liter engine since there is a big tax hit on anything larger. Mike Marshall and I might get our smooth and quiet car as a fringe benefit of the Chinese market.
Steve