Yep.....I'm beginning to agree.

 

I hope the car manufacturers call out CR on their blantent disregard to state what is the truth.

CR needs to stick to reviewing toasters and also letting people know how long peanut butter takes to come unstuck from the roofs of peoples mouthes.

 

Oh, that's vague. So what's normal, what's excessive? The manuals just do not say period.

 

are you trying to say it is ok if they burn oil because manufacturers have written it into the manual so they can decide not to repair the vehicle?

If they thought their engines should burn oil, they should have told that to the customer before they purchased the vehicle and then customer can decide if they will buy a car that spends 1l of oil per mile or not.

 

Are you a engine engineer who can claim otherwise? I did not say it earlier, but engines generally burn oil. Toyota has stated why in the manual and I have no problem with it.

 

audi has already agreed to oil consumption liability here http://oilconsumptionsettlement.com/

 

It's not vague. Some is not the saem as excessive which is not the same as moderate. Some is not very much, you are reading too much into it now.

Toyota claims new engines burn more oil when new. CR claims that should not happen. I think I would listen to Toyota before I would listen to CR.

 

Jill.....I think you pushed the wrong quote button in your last post (#67). You quoted and replied to yourself. Do you want to re-post it, or is that what you intended?

 

See my other reply two posts up.

 

"standards for certain Audi and BMW cars say that it's reasonable to burn a quart of oil every 600 to 700 miles. Subaru considers one quart burned for every 1,000 to 1,200 miles to be acceptable, Consumer Reports said."

Do you think it's reasonable and not excessive to burn a quart of oil every 600 to 700 miles?

 

Does is that stated in the manual?

 

I don't get the CR hate around here. I had a Twin Spark Alfa that used a liter of oil every 1000 km, sometimes even more, and that was with normal city driving. That was just above the upper limit stated in the manual. The dealer tore apart the engine and found mismatched piston rings were the cause. After a rebuild under warranty, the engine didn't use any oil. My next Alfa - stupidity strikes twice - had a FPT Multiair turbo and that lovely little engine didn't use a drop of oil.

So if the Italians with their dreadful reliability record can make engines that don't consume oil, why can't Audi and BMW? It looks more like bad design on the Audi turbo fours and BMW V8s, with heavy oil consumption triggered by a specific set of factors - driving load, average engine temperature, even gas quality? Who knows but those manufacturers need to stop pretending this isn't a problem.

 

Different piston rings in the four cylinders? That's probably the funniest assembly-line goof I've heard of since the one in those older, notoriously sloppy Chrysler plants, where they put Dodge trim/hardware on one side of the car and Plymouth on the other. That one embarrassed even the UAW.

 

a lot have changed since the last time lx450 was still in production

 

In my friends VW Passat, it states in the manual that one quart per 1200 miles is considered normal.

Subura states the same.