Collusion in the CPO Process?
#16
Ok--so it's a warranty repair that the dealer gets compensated for from Lexus. But it still takes his service dept reps away from other repairs of paying customers. And if it were me, he wouldn't get a penny, because I don't always buy my cars at the closest dealer (i.e., the one that I will end up taking it to for service).
#17
Why would we pay extra for a CPO vehicle if the inspection is not done properly? It's unacceptable that the dealer charges extra for CPO and skips items on the checklist. I have never had much confidence with these dealers anyway. I saw the mechanics abuse customers cars by driving them like race cars behind the gate in the service area at a dealer in central Virginia. It's a shame that you are just a walking dollar bill to them.
Last edited by BrickHead; 07-05-15 at 08:42 AM.
#20
Collusion in the CPO Process?
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Isn't the CPO vehicles free from any accidents?
You can be 95% sure as to any used cars accident history after an inspection by a good mechanic.
#21
#23
Here's the actual CPO 161-point check-list for a Lexus product, direct from the company itself.
http://www.lexus.com/documents/broch...t-brochure.pdf
And here are the general CPO standards:
http://www.autos.com/car-buying/cert...ion-highlights
Interesting point, Jill. I thought so, too. Although the standards DO demand a "clean" vehicle history, the definition of "clean" is not really spelled out, and it does not specifically spell out no accidents. (maybe their reasoning is that if any accident damage was properly repaired, it is a moot point anyway). Perhaps (?) "Clean" means no legal or outstanding liens against the title, money owed on the car, or records of any police vehicle-impoundment like for drug-running or use of the vehicle in a crime.
http://www.lexus.com/documents/broch...t-brochure.pdf
And here are the general CPO standards:
http://www.autos.com/car-buying/cert...ion-highlights
Interesting point, Jill. I thought so, too. Although the standards DO demand a "clean" vehicle history, the definition of "clean" is not really spelled out, and it does not specifically spell out no accidents. (maybe their reasoning is that if any accident damage was properly repaired, it is a moot point anyway). Perhaps (?) "Clean" means no legal or outstanding liens against the title, money owed on the car, or records of any police vehicle-impoundment like for drug-running or use of the vehicle in a crime.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-05-15 at 07:24 PM.
#24
I bought a CPO ES350 with minor fender repair. I even called corporate on it. They said it passes the standard, as will cheap undesirable tires as long as they have enough tread and are safe. The dealer had put on cheapies! Don't assume anything with CPO. I just got a LS 460 and had an independent mechanic check out the control arms(known issue $$$). They're OK, but I have 3 years of coverage if they go. BTW, I traded that ES in for the LS and the dealer mentioned the accident to devalue the trade in, but had to concede when I reminded him it came that way as a CPO.
#27
Why would we pay extra for a CPO vehicle if the inspection is not done properly? It's unacceptable that the dealer charges extra for CPO and skips items on the checklist. I have never had much confidence with these dealers anyway. I saw the mechanics abuse customers cars by driving them like race cars behind the gate in the service area at a dealer in central Virginia. It's a shame that you are just a walking dollar bill to them.
There are plenty of horror stories on the internet as regards CPO cars, so as always, buyer beware. For anything even remotely pricy, I'd always insist on a 3rd party PPI even for CPO cars.
#28
I think if the dealer can get away with missing a few items here and there, they would. I doubt they would improve their process of inspection to be more thorough -- maybe not intentional, but willful ignorance. It benefits them to miss repairs.
What about someone dying in the car? No one wants a haunted car!
Interesting point, Jill. I thought so, too. Although the standards DO demand a "clean" vehicle history, the definition of "clean" is not really spelled out, and it does not specifically spell out no accidents. (maybe their reasoning is that if any accident damage was properly repaired, it is a moot point anyway). Perhaps (?) "Clean" means no legal or outstanding liens against the title, money owed on the car, or records of any police vehicle-impoundment like for drug-running or use of the vehicle in a crime.
Last edited by nosurprise; 07-06-15 at 09:29 PM.
#29
Technically, to CPO a car, it has to eligible for the extended warranty. The dealer is basically paying for the extended warranty and doing an inspection that they would have done anyway even without the CPO. All warrantable repair costs are then passed on to Lexus.
#30
What about someone dying in the car? No one wants a haunted car!