Why doesn't toyota or lexus have diesels in the United states
#1
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Thread Starter
Why doesn't toyota or lexus have diesels in the United states
Since this is a global forum, and I beleive some of you guys may have them. What models do toyota motor corp make in diesel? And does anyone know why the United states don't have them? I would say the obvious is because of some EPA reason. But I don't by that
#2
Lexus Fanatic
Look up the cost of a diesel Jetta vs a high end spec Toyota Corolla. It simply is way too much money.
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#3
It's because Toyota's business model is built on volume. America doesn't buy diesels (or vw would be killing it...and they aren't) and the previous poster is correct the cost to volume calculation doesn't make sense, and there are epa implications that don't come with a hydrogen platform, which is where they are putting their eggs.
#4
Lexus Fanatic
It's because Toyota's business model is built on volume. America doesn't buy diesels (or vw would be killing it...and they aren't) and the previous poster is correct the cost to volume calculation doesn't make sense, and there are epa implications that don't come with a hydrogen platform, which is where they are putting their eggs.
#6
Lexus Fanatic
It's because Toyota's business model is built on volume. America doesn't buy diesels (or vw would be killing it...and they aren't) and the previous poster is correct the cost to volume calculation doesn't make sense, and there are epa implications that don't come with a hydrogen platform, which is where they are putting their eggs.
#7
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So then what about a work truck. Chevy, ford, dodge. Those guys have a good return on selling $50k plus vehicles to the United states market. Why don't we see a diesel Tundra ?
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#8
Lexus Fanatic
There is a business case in the US for HD trucks. Toyota Tundra does not sell enough to make it worth it.
#9
Lexus Test Driver
It's telling that Toyota and Lexus don't offer diesels in their home market because of emissions reasons, preferring to focus on hybrids instead. Diesel cars are very popular in Europe but particulate emissions are forcing major cities to consider limiting future sales of diesels. Maybe Europe's 30-year love affair with diesel is about to end.
I've driven many diesel cars and trucks and I'm currently a hybrid driver. I appreciate the treehugger aspect of sourcing diesel from recycled plant oils and using biodiesel, but I know those sources will never become mainstream. A hybrid has more torque than a diesel and runs a lot cleaner without needing urea catalysts. Diesel has the edge on tank range but a hybrid comes close. I can see a future for diesels in trucks where torque is king whereas cars will switch to hybrid or fully electric power.
I've driven many diesel cars and trucks and I'm currently a hybrid driver. I appreciate the treehugger aspect of sourcing diesel from recycled plant oils and using biodiesel, but I know those sources will never become mainstream. A hybrid has more torque than a diesel and runs a lot cleaner without needing urea catalysts. Diesel has the edge on tank range but a hybrid comes close. I can see a future for diesels in trucks where torque is king whereas cars will switch to hybrid or fully electric power.
#10
Lexus Fanatic
Although this gets away from the cars themselves and more into the realm of politics, I think that is where much of the problem comes from...too much emphasis on emissions. And many people (sometimes even legislators) forget that, especially at coal-fired electric power-plants, the coal and coke burned to produce that electricity produces smoke and emissions of its own, though stack "scrubbers" help somewhat. And, at nuclear power plants, one does not have to deal with smoke, but nuclear waste and the possibility of a nuclear accident. So the electric power for automobiles isn't "free" of emissions by any means. Only in hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles does one really approach true zero emissions.
#11
Super Moderator
2.5 gallon jugs of urea are $15 at every autozone in the country, which works out to nine cents per gallon of fuel burned (and it can be had cheaper). 3 of those will get you through 500 gallons of fuel, which works out to around $45 for every 20,000 miles.
#12
Lexus Test Driver
Coal and gas-fired power plants have scrubbers; diesel vehicles don't. Diesels may be competitive with petrol engines on CO2 but they have much higher NOx and particulate emissions. That stuff is very localized and ends up hanging over cities as smog.
Electric vehicles are another messy argument I'd say they have the opportunity to be very clean *if* they use electricity from renewable sources. That's still a big plus because petrol and diesel engines will always pollute even if you could magically come up with petrol from algae and diesel from crops.
Electric vehicles are another messy argument I'd say they have the opportunity to be very clean *if* they use electricity from renewable sources. That's still a big plus because petrol and diesel engines will always pollute even if you could magically come up with petrol from algae and diesel from crops.
#13
Lead Lap
Your question what they do offer in other markets:
http://www.toyota.co.za/ranges/all
South Africa ties in with right hand drive markets - read ex-British territories- so most what we have here from Toyota will be in Thailand, Australia, Malta etc.
Diesels are here the rage. Toyota however, doesn't go for very exciting Diesels, well that is a sort of corporate culture, I mean the somewhat dowdy character - they are not Alfa Romeo.
Lexus don't offer Diesels here, as I understand they did offer Diesels in Europe at one stage, but those were ripped straight out of some Toyota models.
#14
What do you mean "true to some extent"? It is the answer. The question isn't "why isn't America sold on diesels?" But why Toyota doesn't produce them. You can make chicken and egg argument (because they don't produce them) all you want. Fact is, they have more scientists and engineers on their payroll than you or I do, and they have deemed is risky from a profit situation.
#15
Lexus Fanatic
2.5 gallon jugs of urea are $15 at every autozone in the country, which works out to nine cents per gallon of fuel burned (and it can be had cheaper). 3 of those will get you through 500 gallons of fuel, which works out to around $45 for every 20,000 miles.