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no kidding, the more i see it the more i don't understand
It might be wrong wheel drive from the start but its more or less mirrored after the lust worthy CLS shape at half the cost. Sales don't seem to disappoint
It might be wrong wheel drive from the start but its more or less mirrored after the lust worthy CLS shape at half the cost. Sales don't seem to disappoint
sales for sure is good, doesn't make it a good car though
Proud to be a Lexus owner. Also pleased with the rise of Audi. Once at the bottom, they have become quite the success story for a high-volume German mark.
BTW Lexus and Toyota are the only two brands of all brands whose road test scores are dragging down their overall scores, pretty much reinforcing what we all know, that Lexus/Toyota are trading product development for reliability these days.
Yep the Mercedes CLA is garbage, should never have existed
Originally Posted by rominl
sales for sure is good, doesn't make it a good car though
Consumer Reports didn't seem to think much of it, either. I think Hoovey has a point when he suggests it was a way to try and imitate the CLS's styling at half the cost. But there's a reason why it is half the cost.
Consumer Reports didn't seem to think much of it, either. I think Hoovey has a point when he suggests it was a way to try and imitate the CLS's styling at half the cost. But there's a reason why it is half the cost.
It's junk, that's why. And it's no surprise for MB. They've always been at the bottom of the barrel. Although their new styling, especially with the C-Class is much improved, the cars are still unacceptably unreliable.
I also don't get why people obsess over the S-Class. It drives like poop.
sales for sure is good, doesn't make it a good car though
I agree, but if it gets younger buyers into a three-pointed star vehicle, brand awareness increases as is the likelihood of future retention (could apply to most makes). Ideally individuals would stick with the brand which offers a huge variation of vehicles to fit the bill as said individual grows up gets better jobs, starts a family etc. Not only that but increased sales improve core models like C-Class, E-Class, S-Class and fund special AMG projects then maybe it is worth it. For what its worth, the other side of the coin is the car could be so crappy that it turns people away towards the competition
Interesting, I think MB has equal reliability to Lexus, better dealer experience, and better material and build quality.
I agree as well. MB has really won me over much more than the Lexus models. Lexus models are usually $10k less than MB on average , I don't think Lexus would have as many sales as MB of the prices were equal.
I agree as well. MB has really won me over much more than the Lexus models. Lexus models are usually $10k less than Lexus on average , I don't think Lexus would have as many sales as MB of the prices were equal.
You get what you pay for. You pay for what you get. Better dealerships and better materials all cost more money, which is duly reflected in the respective pricing. It can be said that Mercedes has the brand recognition to command a higher pricing, and can therefore afford to put more money into better dealerships and better materials for their cars, which in turn elevates its brand recognition even further. It can also be said, however, that Lexus doesn't see itself as a brand as premium as Mercedes, and therefore isn't putting as much money into better dealerships and better materials, and is pricing its cars accordingly--a cut below Mercedes--in order to gain comparable sales. It's a chicken-and-egg thing: If Lexus brings its dealerships and materials to the level of Mercedes it'll have to charge more for its cars, but it will have to assume the risk of people not buying them because people may not be willing to pay that much for a car under the Lexus brand, but if Lexus keeps undercutting Mercedes the way it is now it will never achieve a status as premium as Mercedes has. If I were Lexus I'd break this endless vicious cycle by taking the short-term sales pain for a long-term gain in brand value and eventually a larger profit margin, as the perception of the Lexus brand will change for the better over time if Lexus keeps selling truly premium cars at premium prices consistently and insistently across the board, and it's not like Toyota doesn't have the cash reserve for Lexus to undertake such a transformation, but then of course this plan will most certainly fizzle because the bean counters and shareholders at Toyota have zero long-term vision and care about nothing but quarterly profit growth and instant gratification.
Better reliability, on the other hand, can't necessarily be achieved by throwing more money at it, but is rather a result of safer design choices and a better quality control process.
08-12-15 | 11:58 PM
