Rich kid has his Ferrari torched so he can have a new one
#1
Lexus Test Driver
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Rich kid has his Ferrari torched so he can have a new one
Don't know what is more of a waste, the car or the kid, though he is 20 yrs old and did otherwise put his allowance to good use on other investments.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...cid=spartandhp
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...cid=spartandhp
#2
Lexus Fanatic
This kid really lucked out with a fine. Insurance fraud is an offense that can often lead to prison time. Perhaps it was one of those cases where he got off because of his rich parents.
#3
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... But I digress. Yeah, stupid kid.
#4
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Completely idiotic that it can result in prison time. One of the many, many laws wasting taxpayer dollars and ruining lives by putting people in prison who don't need to be. I remember hearing that guy who dumped his Veyron got like 20 years IIRC? TWENTY DAMN YEARS? Trying to rip off an insurance company is worse than many forms of sexual assault, apparently...
... But I digress. Yeah, stupid kid.
... But I digress. Yeah, stupid kid.
Last edited by mmarshall; 08-12-15 at 09:48 PM.
#5
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Sorry, but I can't quite agree with your reasoning that it is a needless law. Fraud is fraud, and stealing is stealing, whether it is a company stealing from one person or one person stealing from a company. Same principle....different numbers. Not only that, but we're not talking about a cheap car here, either.....it was worth six figures. In many states, the cutoff between simple misdemeanor and grand theft (a felony) ranges from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand.
Anyways, I'm not saying these people shouldn't be punished -- I'm saying the punishment is disproportionate to the crime. Reminds me of John Oliver's show on mandatory minimums. Apparently in the eyes of the law, ripping off your insurance company for a couple mil is roughly equivalent to hijacking a plane. And twice as bad as raping a child.
EDIT: I will say, though, that in this case, the punishment seems fair. Maybe even a bit too soft, if anything... You could argue they may have deserved slightly more punishment for the fraud alone, but even putting that aside, arson is just dangerous. So my rant was somewhat tangential.
Last edited by RocketGuy3; 08-12-15 at 10:05 PM.
#6
I completely disagree that stealing from a company is the same as stealing from an individual, generally speaking. (For a similar reason to why I don't think companies should be allowed to make political contributions)
Anyways, I'm not saying these people shouldn't be punished -- I'm saying the punishment is disproportionate to the crime. Reminds me of John Oliver's show on mandatory minimums. Apparently in the eyes of the law, ripping off your insurance company for a couple mil is roughly equivalent to hijacking a plane. And twice as bad as raping a child.
EDIT: I will say, though, that in this case, the punishment seems fair. Maybe even a bit too soft, if anything... You could argue they may have deserved slightly more punishment for the fraud alone, but even putting that aside, arson is just dangerous. So my rant was somewhat tangential.
Anyways, I'm not saying these people shouldn't be punished -- I'm saying the punishment is disproportionate to the crime. Reminds me of John Oliver's show on mandatory minimums. Apparently in the eyes of the law, ripping off your insurance company for a couple mil is roughly equivalent to hijacking a plane. And twice as bad as raping a child.
EDIT: I will say, though, that in this case, the punishment seems fair. Maybe even a bit too soft, if anything... You could argue they may have deserved slightly more punishment for the fraud alone, but even putting that aside, arson is just dangerous. So my rant was somewhat tangential.
#7
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A crime is a crime is a crime. In this case, attempted fraud and arson. While the consequences of attempted fraud are to the insurance company, the application of the punishment shouldn't be based on the victim's ability to absorb the impact.
For arson, they took the car to an industrial area, imagine if one or more of the businesses there got hit due to a wind gust, a burning piece flying or embers? The losses would be devastating to those businesses and employees/families. Even worse if there were chemicals stored there. What if the car was taken to a residential area? Would it warrant a higher sentence? (rhetorical questions, no need to answer)
This thread was really not meant to be a political discussion, otherwise it would be posted in the clubhouse. Let's get back to discussing the human element of the loss of the car compared to the idiocy of the "rich kid".
For arson, they took the car to an industrial area, imagine if one or more of the businesses there got hit due to a wind gust, a burning piece flying or embers? The losses would be devastating to those businesses and employees/families. Even worse if there were chemicals stored there. What if the car was taken to a residential area? Would it warrant a higher sentence? (rhetorical questions, no need to answer)
This thread was really not meant to be a political discussion, otherwise it would be posted in the clubhouse. Let's get back to discussing the human element of the loss of the car compared to the idiocy of the "rich kid".
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#8
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Completely idiotic that it can result in prison time. One of the many, many laws wasting taxpayer dollars and ruining lives by putting people in prison who don't need to be. I remember hearing that guy who dumped his Veyron got like 20 years IIRC? TWENTY DAMN YEARS? Trying to rip off an insurance company is worse than many forms of sexual assault, apparently...
... But I digress. Yeah, stupid kid.
... But I digress. Yeah, stupid kid.
Last edited by tex2670; 08-13-15 at 08:32 AM.
#9
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Don't know what is more of a waste, the car or the kid, though he is 20 yrs old and did otherwise put his allowance to good use on other investments.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...cid=spartandhp
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...cid=spartandhp
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#12
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Insurance companies are in fraud business anyway. Every time they try to lowball you so you have to take them to court to get what you deserve is a fraud or even worse claim you are not covered due to freak circumstances which again is a fraud. They lost all court battles against me and I haven't seen any of them being imprisoned. I don't feel sorry for them at all.
#13
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Insurance companies are in fraud business anyway. Every time they try to lowball you so you have to take them to court to get what you deserve is a fraud or even worse claim you are not covered due to freak circumstances which again is a fraud. They lost all court battles against me and I haven't seen any of them being imprisoned. I don't feel sorry for them at all.
This case is clearly not a case where the insurance company denied the claim. A police investigation on the theft and arson found evidence of an attempt at fraud, charges were laid, conviction and sentencing followed a proper criminal trial.
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