2017 Mercedes E Class
12-26-15, 07:08 PM
#167
Lexus Fanatic
No doubt, but its hard to argue that they have designed commercially successful cars.
12-26-15, 07:18 PM
#168
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12-26-15, 07:26 PM
#171
Personally I've been shifting my own gears the past 4 years in both of my cars(Lexus SC300 and a beat up Toyota truck), and I'm over it. Drove around in my buddy's automatic this past weekend(2000 Avalon), forgot how nice it is to just have a brainless car to drive around in heavy traffic, ie that car is completely effortless, rides nice, great seats, silent, automatic trans, has enough power(more would be nice though), great visibility, etc Mainly I think its because I live in town and traffic sucks, if I lived out in the middle of nowhere with great driving roads I'd probably fall in love all over again with my SC300
That being said, I do love driving a manual sports car like a Miata, Corvette, Viper, the old english iron like Austin Healeys, Lotus, MG, etc. The old muscle cars with a stick are fun too, but to be honest I'd rather have them with an automatic because I would be tearing up the drag strip, and its so much easier to be consistent in the quarter mile with an automatic.
That being said, I do love driving a manual sports car like a Miata, Corvette, Viper, the old english iron like Austin Healeys, Lotus, MG, etc. The old muscle cars with a stick are fun too, but to be honest I'd rather have them with an automatic because I would be tearing up the drag strip, and its so much easier to be consistent in the quarter mile with an automatic.
12-26-15, 07:35 PM
#173
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The ES isn't a bad car, back in the day there wasn't a whole lot else that provided that space and luxury at that price point. Now at that price level I'd buy a Hyundai Genesis.
12-26-15, 09:27 PM
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For many, the E class is just an obvious choice. For people who had a C class and want more room, maybe because of an expanding family, its natural to move to an E class. The price delta between C and E is only about 20K, but from an E to an S, its more like 40K. Just because the E outsells the competition doesn't mean that it is an appliance.
12-26-15, 10:08 PM
#175
For many, the E class is just an obvious choice. For people who had a C class and want more room, maybe because of an expanding family, its natural to move to an E class. The price delta between C and E is only about 20K, but from an E to an S, its more like 40K. Just because the E outsells the competition doesn't mean that it is an appliance.
While I don't particularly like the C, I absolute despite the E class. Its for people that hate driving.
12-27-15, 08:52 AM
#176
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This car is for people who hate driving?
Have you driven a new C Class? With the right options and packages they're great cars, very high quality, comfortable, fun to drive. Buddy of mine just bought a C400 AMG and its really nice.
I'm sure the all new 2017 E Class will be great.
12-27-15, 09:06 AM
#177
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For many, the E class is just an obvious choice. For people who had a C class and want more room, maybe because of an expanding family, its natural to move to an E class. The price delta between C and E is only about 20K, but from an E to an S, its more like 40K. Just because the E outsells the competition doesn't mean that it is an appliance.
The E-Class is the obvious choice because it has been around forever; it can trace its lineage back 60+ years, to when the Mercedes-Benz' entry-level Executive sedan (what would become the E-Class) and its Luxury sedan (what would become the S-Class) shared a common body and differed mainly in engine (4-cylinder for the Executive and 6-cylinder for the Luxury). The C-Class can only trace its lineage back 20 years.
The E-Class has become synonymous with the Executive sedan; when executive sedans come to mind, the E-Class is the most obvious choice. Comparing the E-Class to the Camry -- to say that the E is the Camry of luxury sedans -- is the wrong comparison; it would be more proper to call the Camry as the E-Class of the mid-size family sedans.
12-27-15, 09:27 AM
#178
LOL, you haven't even seen a new E Class. While I am not a fan of the E Class either, "for people who hate driving"? Really? What is it about a 5 Series or a GS or an A6 that is "for people who don't hate driving"? An LS isn't "for people who hate driving"?
This car is for people who hate driving?
Have you driven a new C Class? With the right options and packages they're great cars, very high quality, comfortable, fun to drive. Buddy of mine just bought a C400 AMG and its really nice.
I'm sure the all new 2017 E Class will be great.
This car is for people who hate driving?
Have you driven a new C Class? With the right options and packages they're great cars, very high quality, comfortable, fun to drive. Buddy of mine just bought a C400 AMG and its really nice.
I'm sure the all new 2017 E Class will be great.
The GS, 5 series, even the C class - all have their own merit regardless of price. But the E class has always been overshadowed by the S class. The only people buying the E are those who can't afford the S.
12-27-15, 09:37 AM
#179
Lexus Fanatic
Little accountant ladies drive E63's to the post office? But they don't drive M5s to the post office? So everybody who buys an M5 drives it on the track?
Every car is overshadowed by the car above it in the chain. Guess why I got the GS in 2012? Because I couldn't afford the LS. The reason not to drive a full-size car vs the midsize car, outside of price is size, and thats a legitimate point. All of the unique plusses a GS or a 5 have vs the full-sized cars in their own line exist for MB as well. I know plenty of people who drive E Classes who could very well drive S Classes.
Your argument is predicated on the idea that an E Class is a boring, terrible car to drive "for people who hate driving" and thats just not the case. In basic trim its heavy and boaty yes, but in sportier trims its a very rewarding car. in any event discussing the outgoing car makes no sense...its outgoing...if the C and S are any example I'm sure this car will turn out well. If I was still in that segment, it would probably be a car I would likely buy.
Every car is overshadowed by the car above it in the chain. Guess why I got the GS in 2012? Because I couldn't afford the LS. The reason not to drive a full-size car vs the midsize car, outside of price is size, and thats a legitimate point. All of the unique plusses a GS or a 5 have vs the full-sized cars in their own line exist for MB as well. I know plenty of people who drive E Classes who could very well drive S Classes.
Your argument is predicated on the idea that an E Class is a boring, terrible car to drive "for people who hate driving" and thats just not the case. In basic trim its heavy and boaty yes, but in sportier trims its a very rewarding car. in any event discussing the outgoing car makes no sense...its outgoing...if the C and S are any example I'm sure this car will turn out well. If I was still in that segment, it would probably be a car I would likely buy.
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12-27-15, 09:59 AM
#180
Every car is overshadowed by the car above it in the chain. Guess why I got the GS in 2012? Because I couldn't afford the LS. The reason not to drive a full-size car vs the midsize car, outside of price is size, and thats a legitimate point. All of the unique plusses a GS or a 5 have vs the full-sized cars in their own line exist for MB as well. I know plenty of people who drive E Classes who could very well drive S Classes.
Your argument is predicated on the idea that an E Class is a boring, terrible car to drive "for people who hate driving" and thats just not the case. In basic trim its heavy and boaty yes, but in sportier trims its a very rewarding car. in any event discussing the outgoing car makes no sense...its outgoing...if the C and S are any example I'm sure this car will turn out well. If I was still in that segment, it would probably be a car I would likely buy.