Lexus Says No To Chinese Manufacturing On Quality Grounds
#16
Lexus Fanatic
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I think spwolf may have a point...this could have political undertones somewhere. Buick, for example, has been a huge success in China, and has no problems both building and selling vehicles there.
#17
Lead Lap
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
same haha. i love that my LS was an all japanese effort made in japan by japanese people with japanese sourced parts. i think i've yet to come across a single made in china on my LS so far.
#19
Lexus Champion
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...mexico-reports
#20
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
thanks. i guess it is what it is then... toyota figures labor there's good enough for toyotas but not lexus.
![Dunno](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/13879dunno.gif)
#21
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Meanwhile Cadillac is manufacturing cars to be shipped to the US.
You need a scorecard to determine which companies are American, Japanese or Chinese not to mention German, Canadian and so on.
You need a scorecard to determine which companies are American, Japanese or Chinese not to mention German, Canadian and so on.
#22
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
china builds almost anything and everything so they certainly could build lexus vehicles to world standards.
#24
Lexus Test Driver
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I think in general, the chinese have a bad reputation from everything we hear about them, be it blatantly copying others, taking short cuts (or worse, risking lives) to make more profit, etc.
On the flip side, the japanese culture is super proud and they are almost seen like the stereotypical german traits of over engineering, never taking short cuts, respect for work and family.
Or maybe I'm over thinking it and it simply isn't cost effective to do so at the moment
On the flip side, the japanese culture is super proud and they are almost seen like the stereotypical german traits of over engineering, never taking short cuts, respect for work and family.
Or maybe I'm over thinking it and it simply isn't cost effective to do so at the moment
They take little pride in the mfg of goods. On the family front though they LOVE kids, and take pride in family. Solid HARD working people just wouldn't trust them to make ANYTHING for me.
#25
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
because japan never has ethical problems or corruption...
not bashing japan, but they're no saint - recent sampling:
Toyo Tire & Rubber Co. said an internal probe found one unit manipulated quality testing data for rubber products supplied to 18 customers over a decade.
Asahi Kasei Corp. then said one of its units had falsified data for foundation piles in condominiums, after one building had sagged sideways.
Matsumotokiyoshi Holdings Co., a Japanese drugstore chain, said it found likely accounting irregularities and is investigating the president of one unit it suspects inflated inventories to hide past losses.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.Vj2rwaIkUpY
not bashing japan, but they're no saint - recent sampling:
Toyo Tire & Rubber Co. said an internal probe found one unit manipulated quality testing data for rubber products supplied to 18 customers over a decade.
Asahi Kasei Corp. then said one of its units had falsified data for foundation piles in condominiums, after one building had sagged sideways.
Matsumotokiyoshi Holdings Co., a Japanese drugstore chain, said it found likely accounting irregularities and is investigating the president of one unit it suspects inflated inventories to hide past losses.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.Vj2rwaIkUpY
#26
Moderator
![](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/ranks/rank-mod2.gif)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 12,050
Likes: 0
Received 73 Likes
on
44 Posts
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Your absolutely right on point. They even go so far as to taint babies milk in order to spike the protien count on inspections. This lead to hundreds of babies killed. Of course the plant owner was found hanging not to long afterwards expressing regret in "his" suicide note. Then you had all the dog food laced with antifreeze that killed scores of pets. The list never ends.
They take little pride in the mfg of goods. On the family front though they LOVE kids, and take pride in family. Solid HARD working people just wouldn't trust them to make ANYTHING for me.
They take little pride in the mfg of goods. On the family front though they LOVE kids, and take pride in family. Solid HARD working people just wouldn't trust them to make ANYTHING for me.
![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
#27
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
because japan never has ethical problems or corruption...
not bashing japan, but they're no saint - recent sampling:
Toyo Tire & Rubber Co. said an internal probe found one unit manipulated quality testing data for rubber products supplied to 18 customers over a decade.
Asahi Kasei Corp. then said one of its units had falsified data for foundation piles in condominiums, after one building had sagged sideways.
Matsumotokiyoshi Holdings Co., a Japanese drugstore chain, said it found likely accounting irregularities and is investigating the president of one unit it suspects inflated inventories to hide past losses.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.Vj2rwaIkUpY
not bashing japan, but they're no saint - recent sampling:
Toyo Tire & Rubber Co. said an internal probe found one unit manipulated quality testing data for rubber products supplied to 18 customers over a decade.
Asahi Kasei Corp. then said one of its units had falsified data for foundation piles in condominiums, after one building had sagged sideways.
Matsumotokiyoshi Holdings Co., a Japanese drugstore chain, said it found likely accounting irregularities and is investigating the president of one unit it suspects inflated inventories to hide past losses.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.Vj2rwaIkUpY
Hopefully I'm not talking sideways here, but society in Japan is a lot harder on people who cheat or fail miserably. The level of personal shame and shame brought upon their family is enough for most people in that country to not cheat the system, as you are ostracized by society if you are caught. A CEO like Carly Fiorina would never be allowed into a corporate leadership position again(or god forbid into a serious presidential candidate) after she left HP in such a mess if this were Japan.
As for Lexus not opening a factory in China, I'd say the supplier chain quality is one valid reason. Toyota has a good bit of control over quality in their assembly plant, but I'd imagine it is a daily battle with their suppliers to get them up to their quality standards in a place like China.
I'm speaking from knowing somebody who has worked in the automotive plastics industry her whole career in the US, its appalling how out of control some suppliers are in terms of not being able to meet production schedules due to the number of reject parts they are making. Its like everything has to be overnight trucked(or air shipped) just so the next supplier or the final assembly plant won't run out of parts in 8 hours.
#28
Pole Position
Thread Starter
#29
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
![Default](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Hopefully I'm not talking sideways here, but society in Japan is a lot harder on people who cheat or fail miserably. The level of personal shame and shame brought upon their family is enough for most people in that country to not cheat the system, as you are ostracized by society if you are caught. A CEO like Carly Fiorina would never be allowed into a corporate leadership position again(or god forbid into a serious presidential candidate) after she left HP in such a mess if this were Japan.
also, it's very hypothetical as i doubt there's hardly any female ceo's in japan.
#30
Lexus Test Driver