2017 Lincoln MKZ revealed - all-new 400hp/400tq V6 TT w/AWD
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Count me as somebody who really liked the pre facelift MKZ. At least it was unique.
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The whole point of the spindle grille for Lexus was not to convince or reinforce the Lexus brand for older legacy buyers, it was to gain new buyers who were not exposed to the brand.
I full expect the MKC and MKX to adopt this front end, the Navigator as well, even though I think the Navigator is one of the best looking SUVs out there.
Good job on Lincoln's part.
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Everyone loved the current body? I completely disagree with that statement. Not everyone likes the "cat that ate too many marshmallows" look the current MKZ has. This facelift gives it some visual heft that is a key element of the look Lincoln is going for these days. Old MKZ:
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We went over this in the Mercedes GLS thread. Why do people think manufacturers have unlimited budgets that allow them to do interior overhauls for a facelift? The interior will be addressed when the new model debuts. It's incredibly expensive to redo interiors, especially when you're moving critical elements such as the HVAC system. Redoing the front clip is comparatively cheap
What's worse is you seem to have glossed over the powertrain improvements that separate this car from the Fusion.
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We went over this in the Mercedes GLS thread. Why do people think manufacturers have unlimited budgets that allow them to do interior overhauls for a facelift? The interior will be addressed when the new model debuts. It's incredibly expensive to redo interiors, especially when you're moving critical elements such as the HVAC system. Redoing the front clip is comparatively cheap
What's worse is you seem to have glossed over the powertrain improvements that separate this car from the Fusion.
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Lexus, one of my favourite luxury brands probably sells way more FWD models than it does does RWD in the North American marketplace. Sure they have RWD set ups, but the engines are archaic, and they are holding on to their platforms way to long. (Milking it). If you were to factor out all Lexus FWD models, I wonder if the FWD Lincolns would outsell the RWD Lexus in total.
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I am starting to soften on the whole Tier 1 debates and comments. I have started to consider that Tier 1 comments maybe a dated concept that goes back to the 80s and 90s
Lexus, one of my favourite luxury brands probably sells way more FWD models than it does does RWD in the North American marketplace. Sure they have RWD set ups, but the engines are archaic, and they are holding on to their platforms way to long. (Milking it). If you were to factor out all Lexus FWD models, I wonder if the FWD Lincolns would outsell the RWD Lexus in total.
Lexus, one of my favourite luxury brands probably sells way more FWD models than it does does RWD in the North American marketplace. Sure they have RWD set ups, but the engines are archaic, and they are holding on to their platforms way to long. (Milking it). If you were to factor out all Lexus FWD models, I wonder if the FWD Lincolns would outsell the RWD Lexus in total.
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Everyone loved the current body? I completely disagree with that statement. Not everyone likes the "cat that ate too many marshmallows" look the current MKZ has. This facelift gives it some visual heft that is a key element of the look Lincoln is going for these days. Old MKZ:
![](http://www.truedelta.com/images/mk_reviews/1408583520-MKZ-front.JPG)
![](http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/fat-face-cat.jpg)
We went over this in the Mercedes GLS thread. Why do people think manufacturers have unlimited budgets that allow them to do interior overhauls for a facelift? The interior will be addressed when the new model debuts. It's incredibly expensive to redo interiors, especially when you're moving critical elements such as the HVAC system. Redoing the front clip is comparatively cheap
What's worse is you seem to have glossed over the powertrain improvements that separate this car from the Fusion.
![](http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/fat-face-cat.jpg)
We went over this in the Mercedes GLS thread. Why do people think manufacturers have unlimited budgets that allow them to do interior overhauls for a facelift? The interior will be addressed when the new model debuts. It's incredibly expensive to redo interiors, especially when you're moving critical elements such as the HVAC system. Redoing the front clip is comparatively cheap
What's worse is you seem to have glossed over the powertrain improvements that separate this car from the Fusion.
The majority of the complaints I've read about this car all relate to the interior being dated and not up to luxury or near-luxury standards. That is where they should have spent their money for this facelift. And the majority of comments and articles I've read about the last model nearly all hailed the body and exterior styling as pleasant, attractive, and modern (except for the odd grille). Yet Lincoln changed it all around. So my comments here point to not properly prioritizing.
As far as updating the powertrain, I'm sure that's icing on the cake. But personally I don't think it really would have mattered, considering every driver I've seen behind the wheel of these was quite "seasoned" and in no need of drag-racing from stop light to stop light.
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Changing the grille from the previous look is absolutely the correct thing to do for Lincoln. While the current MKS is a nice looking car and I really like it, Lincoln needs to go bolder and more distinct to capture the imaginations of those who may not consider an MKS. The fence sitters, and the people like me who don't consider the MKC/X styling good from modern contemporary standards is wjat Lincoln is after. There is a lot of marketing behind this change.
The whole point of the spindle grille for Lexus was not to convince or reinforce the Lexus brand for older legacy buyers, it was to gain new buyers who were not exposed to the brand.
I full expect the MKC and MKX to adopt this front end, the Navigator as well, even though I think the Navigator is one of the best looking SUVs out there.
Good job on Lincoln's part.
The whole point of the spindle grille for Lexus was not to convince or reinforce the Lexus brand for older legacy buyers, it was to gain new buyers who were not exposed to the brand.
I full expect the MKC and MKX to adopt this front end, the Navigator as well, even though I think the Navigator is one of the best looking SUVs out there.
Good job on Lincoln's part.
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If I didn't know that, the common consumer wouldn't know that.
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We had a thread on it here in Car Chat, though it was some time ago, and you might not have seen it.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ix-models.html
Actually, I was off a little. It only involved one Ecoboost turbo engine.....the rest were hybrids.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ix-models.html
Actually, I was off a little. It only involved one Ecoboost turbo engine.....the rest were hybrids.