Lexus LC News
08-17-16, 08:32 AM
#2086
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08-17-16, 08:36 AM
#2087
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but one thing about toyota, their huge bet on hybrid, now hydrogen fuel cells, not doing android auto / apple carplay, heck them doing lexus in the first place, shows they're anything but conservative. they go their own way, and take huge risks. 
08-17-16, 12:59 PM
#2088
Lexus Test Driver
Most other car companies thought Toyota was nuts to spend so much time and money on hybrids back when the Prius first came out. Now hybrids are everywhere and are seen as mainstream vehicles. I think hybrids have done their job if they're now seen as a halfway point to EVs and there will come a point where having both fossil fuel and electric powertrains in one vehicle doesn't make sense.
Anyway, after a few million Prius and HSD/LHD vehicle sales, Toyota is laughing all the way to the bank. I just hope they don't get stuck with fuel cells and ignore BEVs entirely.
Anyway, after a few million Prius and HSD/LHD vehicle sales, Toyota is laughing all the way to the bank. I just hope they don't get stuck with fuel cells and ignore BEVs entirely.
08-17-16, 01:32 PM
#2089
Yup. That is my impression as well. To this day I am not sure what they even tried to accomplish with their hybrid technology. Since 2007 their actual hybrid setup did not evolve much and their PHEV experiment ended up being the worst PHEV ever offered.
Some of my conclusions are:
1. Hybrid thing was the greatest PR campaign in the history of the industry
2. They play ultra-conservative and safe waiting game by banking on oil industry and their promises of keep alive the fuel infrastructure no matter what the fuel will be (at the moment fuel of the future is hydrogen)
3. They are banking on hydrogen right now its obvious but they are still cautious and they hope they win and pull out another hybrid PR stunt
4. If EV wins they will be in trouble for a brief period. It's Toyota they will survive no doubt and adjust.
I personally want to see EV and FCV live together side by side for a very long time. I don't want one to rule it all just like I didn't want Blu-ray to get over HDDVD ten years ago.
Some of my conclusions are:
1. Hybrid thing was the greatest PR campaign in the history of the industry
2. They play ultra-conservative and safe waiting game by banking on oil industry and their promises of keep alive the fuel infrastructure no matter what the fuel will be (at the moment fuel of the future is hydrogen)
3. They are banking on hydrogen right now its obvious but they are still cautious and they hope they win and pull out another hybrid PR stunt
4. If EV wins they will be in trouble for a brief period. It's Toyota they will survive no doubt and adjust.
I personally want to see EV and FCV live together side by side for a very long time. I don't want one to rule it all just like I didn't want Blu-ray to get over HDDVD ten years ago.
Lexus was really leading the hybrid game.
08-17-16, 04:09 PM
#2090
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08-17-16, 09:28 PM
#2091
Does anybody think Lexus is betting hard on hydrogen without a back up for electric?
They were so ahead of the game with hybrids and they could've been first or even second to the fully electric game as long as they followed the path. Their reasoning was hybrids gave efficiency while convenient for getting gas. I think hydrogen is the wrong bet...
They were so ahead of the game with hybrids and they could've been first or even second to the fully electric game as long as they followed the path. Their reasoning was hybrids gave efficiency while convenient for getting gas. I think hydrogen is the wrong bet...
the 600hl drive train is pretty old in today's standard too, and it's going to make the already heavy car even heavier (up front).
08-18-16, 02:30 AM
#2092
Lexus was and still is the luxury hybrid leader. As far as plug-in hybrid goes, they are dead on arrival.
I really wish they got into plug in hybrids, really wonder what the grand strategy was that they put their foot down and refused to go into electric.
Anyway, I've got my sights set on the LC, I really like this car, excited to check it out in 2017 and possibly lease one.
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08-18-16, 07:37 AM
#2093
Pole Position
08-18-16, 10:26 AM
#2094
. Weight of the LSh aside, the fuel economy at 19/23/20 and driving in full electric up to only 20mph would not do the LCh any favors.
08-18-16, 10:31 AM
#2095
Lexus Fanatic
Don't think my post needed fixing.
Lexus was and still is the luxury hybrid leader. As far as plug-in hybrid goes, they are dead on arrival.
I really wish they got into plug in hybrids, really wonder what the grand strategy was that they put their foot down and refused to go into electric.
Anyway, I've got my sights set on the LC, I really like this car, excited to check it out in 2017 and possibly lease one.
Lexus was and still is the luxury hybrid leader. As far as plug-in hybrid goes, they are dead on arrival.
I really wish they got into plug in hybrids, really wonder what the grand strategy was that they put their foot down and refused to go into electric.
Anyway, I've got my sights set on the LC, I really like this car, excited to check it out in 2017 and possibly lease one.
Most Buyers would much rather have some type of relatively affordable IC 6 cylinder option/base for the LC then some 100K or close to that price heavy complex V6 hybrid to eek out a little better fuel economy then the V8 version.
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08-18-16, 12:00 PM
#2096
Lexus Fanatic
The fact still remains that the hybrid/plug in hybrid luxury market simply does not exist. Look at the sales of them, they are almost non existent. Buyers clearly do not want hybrid luxury cars whether they are plug in or not, hybrid luxury cars sell in much fewer numbers then even expensive rare performance models or V12 versions so what is the point in chasing a class of cars nobody wants or is buying. .
PS. Lexus should offer a V12
08-18-16, 12:04 PM
#2097
Pole Position
With 438 total system horsepower? Still less than the LC500's 2UR-FSE 467 hp. The 2UR-GSE in the LS600hL is also 5.0L with a few tricks like Yamaha-designed high-flow cylinder heads, titanium inlet valves, high-lift camshafts and dual-length intake. It has D4-S gasoline port and direct injection, Dual VVT-i with electric VVT-iE inlet camshaft actuation. But the engine itself only produces 394 hp. Lexus could easily get the LSh powertrain to 500hp nowadays, but sadly I don't think we'll see an 8 cylinder hybrid again unless it's an F or another supercar. Even Toyota's LMP1 car dropped the NA 3.7L V8 with hybrid system for a twin-turbo 2.4L V6 unit with hybrid system. . Weight of the LSh aside, the fuel economy at 19/23/20 and driving in full electric up to only 20mph would not do the LCh any favors.
. Weight of the LSh aside, the fuel economy at 19/23/20 and driving in full electric up to only 20mph would not do the LCh any favors.
08-18-16, 12:18 PM
#2098
438hp is still much better than 320ish? How do you ask someone to pay $100k for 320ish hp? I think some of the FE downfall was due to the small battery. If they can fit a higher powered LiON battery with longer electric range FE will go up. Then again, imho anyone paying $100k for a sports car shouldnt be concerned about FE.
Because they're not buying for horsepower on the hybrid LC (if they were they'd go LC500). They're buying the LCh for its exotic aesthetics like its V8 counterpart, and the technology involved. The multi-speed transmission will help make the LCh the most engaging Lexus hybrid to date, not to mentioned higher full electric speeds and longer EV range.
Honestly the LCh sounds like a car Hollywood stars and corporate elite would drive. I delivered a 2013 LS600hL and a 2013 GS450h to Warren Beatty a few years ago.
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08-18-16, 01:58 PM
#2099
It's 354hp
Because they're not buying for horsepower on the hybrid LC (if they were they'd go LC500). They're buying the LCh for its exotic aesthetics like its V8 counterpart, and the technology involved. The multi-speed transmission will help make the LCh the most engaging Lexus hybrid to date, not to mentioned higher full electric speeds and longer EV range.
Honestly the LCh sounds like a car Hollywood stars and corporate elite would drive. I delivered a 2013 LS600hL and a 2013 GS450h to Warren Beatty a few years ago.
Because they're not buying for horsepower on the hybrid LC (if they were they'd go LC500). They're buying the LCh for its exotic aesthetics like its V8 counterpart, and the technology involved. The multi-speed transmission will help make the LCh the most engaging Lexus hybrid to date, not to mentioned higher full electric speeds and longer EV range.
Honestly the LCh sounds like a car Hollywood stars and corporate elite would drive. I delivered a 2013 LS600hL and a 2013 GS450h to Warren Beatty a few years ago.
There is an obvious reason why Lexus doesn't make a fully efficient hybrid like a Prius, their hybrids tend to scale on the higher end (exception of CT) and they obviously know it isn't for everyday buyers, its for someone with a little more change in the pocket to spare when purchasing a car.
08-18-16, 02:40 PM
#2100
Lexus Fanatic
The original idea for the Lexus RX/GS/LS hybrids was to replace a larger engine. You can have your power and fuel efficiency at the same time. ..Sadly, the idea did not exactly work. With the ES300h, they went away from the power and moved towards efficiency