AMG Sport Is Dead, Models to Become Mercedes-AMGs
#16
This unreliability claim is so overblown. I have switched between BMW 3 series and Mercedes C class now for over 15 years, (currently driving a C450 AMG) and I have never had an issue outside of normal maintenance, and one BMW recall (car was at the dealership for only 3 hours) My neighbour's 2 year old Honda Accord have been in the shop several times for issues, does that mean that Hondas are unreliable? Certainly not, far from that, actually. My advice is to buy the car that you like, whether your preference is for extreme performance, quiet luxury, or anything in between, whether it's Japanese, German, Korean or American, and enjoy your purchase, this is 2016, not 1980
#17
Driver School Candidate
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: FL
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Put on your glasses and re-read my post, I said my neighbour have a 2 year old Accord. I've also said I have had German cars for 15 years without any problems. I just sold my 2009 E90 335i with 90,000 miles and never had any problems with it. You guys make it seems as if every Mercedes or BMW will have problems after 4, 5 or 6 years, and every Japanese cars will be trouble free during the same period, and that is far from being a correct assumption. There's nothing wrong with a Lexus, or any Japanese car for that matter, even though I wouldn't buy one until they are available with a modern 6 cylinder turbo engine (personal preference) my post is aimed at those people who is yearning for a Mercedes or BMW, and wont buy because they think the car will breakdown
#18
This unreliability claim is so overblown. I have switched between BMW 3 series and Mercedes C class now for over 15 years, (currently driving a C450 AMG) and I have never had an issue outside of normal maintenance, and one BMW recall (car was at the dealership for only 3 hours) My neighbour's 2 year old Honda Accord have been in the shop several times for issues, does that mean that Hondas are unreliable? Certainly not, far from that, actually. My advice is to buy the car that you like, whether your preference is for extreme performance, quiet luxury, or anything in between, whether it's Japanese, German, Korean or American, and enjoy your purchase, this is 2016, not 1980
I definitely would like an AMG or M car but read so many stories on forums where these cars are unreliable. If the AMG/M is the weekend car, I would not hesitate.
It is quite rare when you read about Honda/Lexus breaking down. Much rarer than AMG/M. Certainly Honda/Lexus can break down but frequency seems to be much lower.
As a DD, I don't have the time to deal with repairs if it breaks down. Reliability > fun as DD.
#19
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 12,056
Likes: 0
Received 74 Likes
on
45 Posts
Its going to be luck of the draw really. Not all MBs are going to be problem childs, and not all Lexus cars are going to be problem free. If you buy a MB that has been designed after 2007 (which all of them are now), chances are it will be pretty reliable. My 09 C class (second year into production) has been problem free 100%. Only now in its 7th year of ownership has it developed a rattle. My sister currently owns the new C class, 2015 model so first year in production, and it has also been problem free. Hard to say down the line but I wouldn't worry about it too much.
#20
exclusive matchup
iTrader: (4)
i will just quickly chime in as well and say that i think germans has upped their quality quite a bit over the years. now if i were to own a car for long time (7 years and more), i would probably still leaning towards japanese, but otherwise, personally i won't have a problem with german. truth is my 08 m3 and 07 s550 gave me less problems than my lexus at the same period of time. and given how the the big part of luxury market works, that's why mb and bmw are doing so well.
#21
Driver School Candidate
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: FL
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i will just quickly chime in as well and say that i think germans has upped their quality quite a bit over the years. now if i were to own a car for long time (7 years and more), i would probably still leaning towards japanese, but otherwise, personally i won't have a problem with german. truth is my 08 m3 and 07 s550 gave me less problems than my lexus at the same period of time. and given how the the big part of luxury market works, that's why mb and bmw are doing so well.
I am not trying to defend Mercedes, but people also need to understand the reliability ratings from places like JD Power (by the way, Mercedes is in the top 10), take a company like Ford, for example, who is at the lower end, the vast majority of complaints have to do with peoples frustration with Ford's My Ford Touch sync systems, is has very little to do with any safety or powertrain issues.
#22
Lexus Fanatic
My 4Runner that I bought from my parents has 91k on it. 2004 model and has had the following issues.
-rims are all chipped (all four happened out of warranty)
-driver side seatbelt/SRS issue cost $1000 to repair
-steering system needed a repair out of warranty ($500)
-driver side heated seat does not work
-rear window wiper broke in pivot, does not wipe
-Tacoma 4x4 2011, no issues.
-Matrix 2009.
-issue of ABS sensors needed replacing, covered under warranty.
-Corolla 2014, no issues
Parents had a 07 Camry, needed a $2000 engine repair to the 3.5 (covered under warranty)
Sister has a 2010 IS250
-air compressor seized on hwy left her stranded (only Toyota product in family to ever break while moving). Out of warranty powertrain did not apply $2400
-6 months later something else went $2000 to repair.
Generally speaking, all of the Toyotas products I have owned have been pretty good.
I have always found MB products very appealing.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-15-16 at 08:42 PM.
#23
Lexus Fanatic
Given the Corolla's reputation, unless abused, on a one or two year old model, there better not be any issues with it LOL.
They are improving somewhat, in the reliability area, from the low days of the late 1990s and 2000s, but still, in general, don't offer Toyota/Scion/Lexus reliability.
In fact, according to automotive historians, you can actually thank Toyota and Lexus for at least part of the low reliability of M-B products in that era. When the Lexus LS400 was introduced in 1990 for only 35K to start, M-B suddenly found themselves in an uncompetitive position. Not being able to offer the LS's quality at that price, they were forced to cut costs, using cheaper materials, and steadily more unreliable vehicles were the result for a number of years.
I have always found MB products very appealing.
In fact, according to automotive historians, you can actually thank Toyota and Lexus for at least part of the low reliability of M-B products in that era. When the Lexus LS400 was introduced in 1990 for only 35K to start, M-B suddenly found themselves in an uncompetitive position. Not being able to offer the LS's quality at that price, they were forced to cut costs, using cheaper materials, and steadily more unreliable vehicles were the result for a number of years.
Last edited by mmarshall; 01-15-16 at 09:44 PM.
#24
Lexus Test Driver
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: MD
Posts: 1,509
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I've heard the Audis A4s were underpowered, so an S4 was comparable to a 335I. It seems like in general this Mercedes line is comparable to the S and M lines, while the traditional AMG models are meant to compete with the RS and true Ms?
Will the 63 engine series also be called Mercedes-AMG?
It looks like Mercedes is starting to drop Benz in certain models. They had the Mercedes-Maybach and now this.
Will the 63 engine series also be called Mercedes-AMG?
It looks like Mercedes is starting to drop Benz in certain models. They had the Mercedes-Maybach and now this.
#25
Lead Lap
I've heard the Audis A4s were underpowered, so an S4 was comparable to a 335I. It seems like in general this Mercedes line is comparable to the S and M lines, while the traditional AMG models are meant to compete with the RS and true Ms?
Will the 63 engine series also be called Mercedes-AMG?
It looks like Mercedes is starting to drop Benz in certain models. They had the Mercedes-Maybach and now this.
Will the 63 engine series also be called Mercedes-AMG?
It looks like Mercedes is starting to drop Benz in certain models. They had the Mercedes-Maybach and now this.
#26
Lexus Fanatic
The original Mercedes company traces its name to Daimler-Benz, founded by Gottieb Daimler and Karl Benz....arguably the oldest production auto company in the world. The name Mercedes came from the designation they gave one of their early vehicles, from a mythological deity. The Maybach was a Mercedes offshoot (somewhat like a separate division) in the 1930s, and, at that time, was considered to be arguably the best car in the world mechanically....better than Rolls-Royce. Mercedes, of course, brought the Maybach name back in the late 1990s for the limited-production ultra-luxury sedans.
#27
Lexus Test Driver
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: MD
Posts: 1,509
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What I mean is it used to be called a Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. Are you saying it is currently called a Mercedes-AMG? I didn't think it said that on the site, but I'll double check.
#28
Lead Lap
#29
Lexus Test Driver
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: MD
Posts: 1,509
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know what you meant. It's currently called the Mercedes-AMG C63 and C63 S. If you type that into to google you can see car magazines have reflected this. Further, on the MBUSA site, you can see that the current C450 has the AMG title after the name, while the C63 and C63 S have it before.
#30
Lead Lap
This got kicked off with the Mercedes-AMG GT. Not only does this allow them to create AMG-only models like the GT, but it also allows them to strengthen the prominence of the AMG name from what I understand.