2016 Honda Accord selling like mad
#46
I agree. The wheels are not my thing, but my cousin and my mother will care less. The car drives great and has lots of room and tech for her gadgets. I drove it 30 miles on the highway today. It was quiet and really responsive. Although it's far from top-of-the-line, I'm still amazed that I could get this much car for $23k. I haven't shopped in this price range for a long time.
The wheels on the Sport and Touring models are pretty nice, but I didn't want to go that expensive.
The wheels on the Sport and Touring models are pretty nice, but I didn't want to go that expensive.
#47
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by mmarshall
I think dicer was refering to the fact that so many of today's sedans try to imitate coupes by using a humped roof live for aerodynamics and a lower, sleeker look. It actually started with the VW CC and Mercedes CLS, and spread to many other sedans. That look, while maybe considered "cool" by the auto press and some enthusiasts, actually can be a PITA for taller people riding in, and getting in and out of, the back seat.
If buyers didn't like the way cars were styled and designed, they wouldn't buy them. That's how markets work.
#48
Thank you mmarshall that is exactly what I'm talking about. Every sedan type car on the road has it. And sorry but I still say all these new bubble roof cars all look like a VW with a body kit. It is like way too much monkey see monkey do in the auto design world now. No one wants to be different, all the cars look the same except for the logo and the grill. And is Lexus ever going to change that stupid thing? And speaking of aerodynamics those goofy roofs are shaped like the top portion of an air plane wing, and that means a lifting body and that is no good for high speed driving.
#49
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
The first gen VW New Beetles have a tall, domed greenhouse, which enhances visibility and egress. The redesign model got it's roof chopped a bit. I took dicer to be meaning to say newer cars are coming with lower, sleeker rooflines, which cut into headroom and visibility. The only family sedans to have a taller greenhouse, like the first-gen New Beetle (and that's even a stretch), is the current Camry. It stands upright with a lot of glass. The Sonata and Fusion have the lower, sleek, harder to duck into rooflines, like the second gen New Beetle.
#51
Lexus Fanatic
Lower, sleeker rooflines sure, but I have never seen any similarity to a VW Beetle. And the redone New Beetle came out well after many of the cars we're discussing, but those cars look like it? That doesn't make any sense.
I think vehicle engineers know what they're doing LOL. If this were true then why don't race cars and sports cars have LS400-esque rooflines? Better aerodynamics are better for high speed driving. Lower rooflines improve aerodynamics.
Originally Posted by dicer
And speaking of aerodynamics those goofy roofs are shaped like the top portion of an air plane wing, and that means a lifting body and that is no good for high speed driving.
#52
Lexus Fanatic
As far as race cars go, they have to have not only the type of aerodynamics that you are talking about, but also downforce to help keep them glued to the road and prevent spin-outs. That's why those F1 cars have those large adjustable wings....today's F1 cars are essentially reverse-airplanes LOL.
#53
Lexus Fanatic
I'm a pretty tall guy and I don't have any issues getting in and out of the rear seat of a modern sedan.
#54
The Accord is a really nice car inside and out. My favorite cars in this class are the Mazda 6 and the Passat but the Accord is certainly up there. Looks and feels a lot more expensive than it is. Overall I find Honda products to be higher quality and nicer than comparable Toyotas.
#55
Lexus Fanatic
I have issues with a lot of modern sedans in that department. In fact, that's one thing I noticed about the CT6, even though my entire review of it is not finished (cut short by the injury). They seemed to use a little more of the old traditional taller roofline in back than is common with many of today's sedans......and I didn't have as much of a problem with it. (I'm 6' 2", BTW...and another couple of inches for the ever-present worn-down baseball cap).
Anyhow, back to the new Accord. It also has at least some of the typical humpback-whale roof of today's sedans, though it's not the worst offender by any means.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-14-16 at 03:13 PM.
#56
Lexus Fanatic
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#57
Lexus Fanatic
#58
That whole 4 door coupe nonsense, small windows that you can't see out of, and sloping rear roof lines really started about 10 years ago with the Benz CLS. Beautiful car, but not that practical IMO. Now everybody is kind of following that mold in terms of sedan design.
#59
Lexus Fanatic
The Mazda RX-8 also tried the four-door-in-a-two-door look, but using a different method...building in two small half-doors behind the two main ones, somewhat like a double-version of the last-generation Saturn SC coupe and its single half-rear door on the driver's side.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-14-16 at 04:01 PM.
#60
Lexus Champion
If and when actual consumers stop buying cars with the swoopy roof lines, then the various brands will quit offering them. Until then, it's really a moot point since sales drive the business and the manufacturers respond to consumer preferences and styling trends.