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This may help you. This is River Rd where the Volt made the left, the BMW was oncoming from up that hill around the bend. This is from the main road lane, but you can see the issue. Remember, at night, you see just headlights up around that bend...how do you realize in a split second the oncoming car is traveling nearly 3 times as fast as you would expect it to be?
Generally when making a left turn you're not supposed to make split second decisions. You're must judge oncoming car's distance and speed and proceed when its safe. Unfortunately there are too many drivers that just glance and proceed judging only the distance without considering speed.
Generally when making a left turn you're not supposed to make split second decisions. You're must judge oncoming car's distance and speed and proceed when its safe. Unfortunately there are too many drivers that just glance and proceed judging only the distance without considering speed.
Don't you get it? You can't properly judge the oncoming car's speed, and distance it will travel, when it's going that fast. A reasonable person won't assume the car is coming at them at 115.
The M2 is a totally different car, which is listed on the BMW website under the "M" section. The M235 is listed under the 2-Series section.
The 2-Series comes as a 228, or an M235 or an M2. The "M" in front of 235 is pure marketing. Think of it as "F-Sport" vs. GS-F.
Actually m325i is more comparable with former 135is. It is not a true M car, but its tuned and is certainly faster and louder than old 335i - I should know because I had a 335i and currently drive the m235i.
I don't doubt that...but you weren't going 85, you were going 165. If you were going 85 the flow of traffic we wouldn't be having this conversation.
if you were in that car at the time on that deserted stretch of vermont interstate 91 you'd have had a great time. and by 165 i mean i very briefly reached 165 before promptly and firmly braking back down to a reasonable 75. the whole ordeal took maybe 20 seconds. it wasn't like i was doing 165 for 20 miles straight...
Don't you get it? You can't properly judge the oncoming car's speed, and distance it will travel, when it's going that fast. A reasonable person won't assume the car is coming at them at 115.
Again, you assume nothing when it comes to driving. Especially the Volt driver was from the area, so he was familiar with the road and he must have known that particular left turn can be hazardous - so he should have been extra cautious.
The BMW slammed the volt doing 75mph, so it means it slowed down 40mph from 115mph to 75mph. I'm not an expert on physics or math, but it seems to me that even if BMW was traveling just a bit over the 45mph limit, say 65mph, it might still have been a close call or even a minor accident.
When it comes to left turns, there are too many drivers that simply don't pay attention and can't judge speed or distance. Just ask motorcycle riders what they think about that.
Generally when making a left turn you're not supposed to make split second decisions. You're must judge oncoming car's distance and speed and proceed when its safe. Unfortunately there are too many drivers that just glance and proceed judging only the distance without considering speed.
I've made that left turn hundreds of times, you haven't. You're just going to have to take my word for it, it's entirely possible to make the left turn there and see no oncoming car, and still be hit by a car going that fast.
Originally Posted by Stroock639
if you were in that car at the time on that deserted stretch of vermont interstate 91 you'd have had a great time. and by 165 i mean i very briefly reached 165 before promptly and firmly braking back down to a reasonable 75. the whole ordeal took maybe 20 seconds. it wasn't like i was doing 165 for 20 miles straight...
Im an adult. I don't put me "having a great time" above being safe.
I've made that left turn hundreds of times, you haven't. You're just going to have to take my word for it, it's entirely possible to make the left turn there and see no oncoming car, and still be hit by a car going that fast.
It's entirely possible that he would have still hit them slowing from an easy 75.
The M2 is a totally different car, which is listed on the BMW website under the "M" section. The M235 is listed under the 2-Series section.
The 2-Series comes as a 228, or an M235 or an M2. The "M" in front of 235 is pure marketing. Think of it as "F-Sport" vs. GS-F.
OK....I see what you mean. Yes, BMW has done that before.....offered vehicles with M-chassis components and non-M powerplants. An old colleague of mine had one of the old 540s with the M-chassis (M-Sport) package.
07-15-16, 04:07 PM
