Regardless of technology, year, make, model, what is your favorite luxury car . . .
10-18-23, 08:44 AM
#91
Lexus Champion
It is, but it was built to a higher standard than an ES and has more sophisticated suspension and much more isolation materials etc. Back in the 90s both Lincoln and Cadillac and Acura were making FWD cars that were much higher end than an ES.
That STS cost about $50,000 in 2000, only about $9,000-10,000 less than a loaded LS400 while a loaded ES cost about $35,000.
Not his 2000, his 2000 was the prior generation that was still FWD. I believe in 03 the STS went RWD.
That STS cost about $50,000 in 2000, only about $9,000-10,000 less than a loaded LS400 while a loaded ES cost about $35,000.
Not his 2000, his 2000 was the prior generation that was still FWD. I believe in 03 the STS went RWD.
10-18-23, 09:46 AM
#92
Lexus Fanatic
it definitely cost more than an ES (and has a more fun engine) but isn't it ultimately on the same platform as things like the lesabre and bonneville?
but i'm happy to change my views if it actually does feel like a more solid, higher caliber of car in terms of handing characteristics, high speed stability, etc...
but i'm happy to change my views if it actually does feel like a more solid, higher caliber of car in terms of handing characteristics, high speed stability, etc...
If you go back there are a lot of comparison tests where they look at the Seville (STS, SLS) next to the LS400 and the Cadillac held up quite well, there’s a MotorWeek retro review out there on YT actually you should watch.
The Lincoln Continental of the era was also such a car despite being FWD. Acura Legend also
10-18-23, 10:34 AM
#93
Lead Lap
It absolutely did, my dad had a 95 STS which was the generation before this 2000, and it was actually an excellent car to drive despite being FWD. Great, smooth V8, excellent ride and confident handling, nice materials inside (build quality wasn’t great) but definitely a considerable step up from an ES in all areas. The 98-03 that he has was much improved from that car.
If you go back there are a lot of comparison tests where they look at the Seville (STS, SLS) next to the LS400 and the Cadillac held up quite well, there’s a MotorWeek retro review out there on YT actually you should watch.
The Lincoln Continental of the era was also such a car despite being FWD. Acura Legend also
If you go back there are a lot of comparison tests where they look at the Seville (STS, SLS) next to the LS400 and the Cadillac held up quite well, there’s a MotorWeek retro review out there on YT actually you should watch.
The Lincoln Continental of the era was also such a car despite being FWD. Acura Legend also
but still, a FWD V8 is disappointing... in the LS 400 if you give it some gas mid corner you can actually feel the back help rotate the car through the turn and there's a kind of playfulness about it... with a FWD car i'd have a tough time convincing myself that i've truly taken the next step up in terms of design and capability when it'll just want to torque steer and push outward
10-18-23, 10:36 AM
#94
Lexus Champion
well nice to hear that 90s GM still knew how to get s*** done haha
but still, a FWD V8 is disappointing... in the LS 400 if you give it some gas mid corner you can actually feel the back help rotate the car through the turn and there's a kind of playfulness about it... with a FWD car i'd have a tough time convincing myself that i've truly taken the next step up in terms of design and capability when it'll just want to torque steer and push outward
but still, a FWD V8 is disappointing... in the LS 400 if you give it some gas mid corner you can actually feel the back help rotate the car through the turn and there's a kind of playfulness about it... with a FWD car i'd have a tough time convincing myself that i've truly taken the next step up in terms of design and capability when it'll just want to torque steer and push outward
10-18-23, 10:45 AM
#95
Lead Lap
but nobody serious about driving will be fully satisfied with that, for a start you can't go to a snowy parking lot and do donuts lol (or even a non snowy parking lot but i'm not trying to be rough on my car)
10-18-23, 10:49 AM
#96
Lexus Test Driver
oh i admit for the vast majority of people the FWD makes more sense... more room inside and no hump in the middle of the floor
but nobody serious about driving will be fully satisfied with that, for a start you can't go to a snowy parking lot and do donuts lol (or even a non snowy parking lot but i'm not trying to be rough on my car)
but nobody serious about driving will be fully satisfied with that, for a start you can't go to a snowy parking lot and do donuts lol (or even a non snowy parking lot but i'm not trying to be rough on my car)
It's face palm to see a front wheel burnout anyway and nobody should have to see that Lol
10-18-23, 10:52 AM
#97
Lexus Champion
oh i admit for the vast majority of people the FWD makes more sense... more room inside and no hump in the middle of the floor
but nobody serious about driving will be fully satisfied with that, for a start you can't go to a snowy parking lot and do donuts lol (or even a non snowy parking lot but i'm not trying to be rough on my car)
but nobody serious about driving will be fully satisfied with that, for a start you can't go to a snowy parking lot and do donuts lol (or even a non snowy parking lot but i'm not trying to be rough on my car)
10-18-23, 10:54 AM
#98
Lexus Champion
An LS430 burnout is fun. Open diff and strong V8.
10-18-23, 11:09 AM
#99
Lead Lap
the C300 my parents had before the GLE450 they have now is still a RWD platform that sends power to the back first, so you still have those nice driving characteristics and can do this haha
my friend tried the same with his subaru forester and it couldn't do anything like that... even with me giving it a go lol
10-18-23, 11:33 AM
#100
Lexus Champion
it's important to note though that not AWDs are the same... most AWD cars are still FWD based, aka they send power to the front wheels first and will then send power to the back as needed, so they still feel like a FWD car
the C300 my parents had before the GLE450 they have now is still a RWD platform that sends power to the back first, so you still have those nice driving characteristics and can do this haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-gKh7GyGUA
my friend tried the same with his subaru forester and it couldn't do anything like that... even with me giving it a go lol
the C300 my parents had before the GLE450 they have now is still a RWD platform that sends power to the back first, so you still have those nice driving characteristics and can do this haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-gKh7GyGUA
my friend tried the same with his subaru forester and it couldn't do anything like that... even with me giving it a go lol
I myself prefer exactly what I have for AWD. If you make a turn out fast a certain way you can burn rubber for a sec, lmao, in an LX.
BTW yes, MB can make good AWD.... 4-Matic is legit. I hear that hideous 2.0t moan though in your video, appeal of car ruined.
10-18-23, 11:51 AM
#101
Lead Lap
I've got a Torsen diff with a 65/35 split (then it goes to axle with most grip if it slips). I know what you're talking about though.
I myself prefer exactly what I have for AWD. If you make a turn out fast a certain way you can burn rubber for a sec, lmao, in an LX.
BTW yes, MB can make good AWD.... 4-Matic is legit. I hear that hideous 2.0t moan though in your video, appeal of car ruined.
I myself prefer exactly what I have for AWD. If you make a turn out fast a certain way you can burn rubber for a sec, lmao, in an LX.
BTW yes, MB can make good AWD.... 4-Matic is legit. I hear that hideous 2.0t moan though in your video, appeal of car ruined.
yes the 2.0T is what it is... actually a decent sized turbo in the C300 though, going from 1500 to 3000rpm is kind of fun but after that just gets flat and whiney with the power delivery... i think a tune could really liven things up and bring the fun back
10-18-23, 12:23 PM
#102
Lexus Champion
10-18-23, 12:47 PM
#103
Lead Lap
10-18-23, 12:58 PM
#104
Lexus Champion
They said you just find a snow drift, floor the pedal and off you went (slowly and controlled). They couldn't get it stuck.
So, I assume MB is still good at AWD.
10-18-23, 02:07 PM
#105
Lexus Fanatic
well nice to hear that 90s GM still knew how to get s*** done haha
but still, a FWD V8 is disappointing... in the LS 400 if you give it some gas mid corner you can actually feel the back help rotate the car through the turn and there's a kind of playfulness about it... with a FWD car i'd have a tough time convincing myself that i've truly taken the next step up in terms of design and capability when it'll just want to torque steer and push outward
but still, a FWD V8 is disappointing... in the LS 400 if you give it some gas mid corner you can actually feel the back help rotate the car through the turn and there's a kind of playfulness about it... with a FWD car i'd have a tough time convincing myself that i've truly taken the next step up in terms of design and capability when it'll just want to torque steer and push outward
My 4 Matic S560 actually is not as good in the snow as my AWD LS460 was, likely because of the wide rear tires...