What's The Point Of Owning A 'Luxury' Car Anymore?
#151
Nobody has mentioned the best part about the Grand Cherokee IMO. Its a man's truck.
It does work. It can tow stuff, it can go off road, it has a 300hp V6, 2 V8 options, and a diesel option, it can outrun your stupid Camaro in a straight line if you get the big engine. The engine sits North to South like a proper truck, none of this sissy engine sits east to west FWD drive based AWD system that is only designed for a snow storm like most SUV's in its price range.
The fact that the interior is world class is just icing on the cake. Nothing else can touch this truck for about 50k IMO. The 4-Runner is an outdated joke when you compare it to the Grand Cherokee. Especially in terms of interior appointments and engine options. That being said, 5 or 10 years from now, if you offered me a 2017 Grand Cherokee or 2017 4-Runner with similar miles in similar condition, I'd buy the 4 Runner any day of the week. Their reputation for durability and reliability is unmatched.
It does work. It can tow stuff, it can go off road, it has a 300hp V6, 2 V8 options, and a diesel option, it can outrun your stupid Camaro in a straight line if you get the big engine. The engine sits North to South like a proper truck, none of this sissy engine sits east to west FWD drive based AWD system that is only designed for a snow storm like most SUV's in its price range.
The fact that the interior is world class is just icing on the cake. Nothing else can touch this truck for about 50k IMO. The 4-Runner is an outdated joke when you compare it to the Grand Cherokee. Especially in terms of interior appointments and engine options. That being said, 5 or 10 years from now, if you offered me a 2017 Grand Cherokee or 2017 4-Runner with similar miles in similar condition, I'd buy the 4 Runner any day of the week. Their reputation for durability and reliability is unmatched.
#154
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by grayson73
Doesn't Jeep have TERRIBLE reliability though?
Some reliability issues are worth it IMHO though because it's such a nice truck.
#155
Lexus Fanatic
The Jeep is not a luxury brand or a luxury car. As someone who owned (and really liked) a couple of Jeeps, and someone who would choose a high trim JGC over a Lexus GX any day of the week (MANY other vehicles I would buy over a Lexus GX), its not a luxury car no matter how nice it is, a lot of that comes from the ownership experience from a brand perspective. There is nothing premium about buying, or servicing a Jeep...nothing at all.
Something can be really nice, and still not be a luxury car. I would choose it over any luxury vehicle in the same market space, but many people would not and do not.
Something can be really nice, and still not be a luxury car. I would choose it over any luxury vehicle in the same market space, but many people would not and do not.
Originally Posted by bitkanhuna
there's nothing borderline about it as a vehicle, except for the BRANDING, which we all agree is not a luxury brand.
(Hey, without using any names, I get irked when people try to tell me what kind of car the Verano is, with little knowledge or experience with it LOL)
Last edited by mmarshall; 08-30-16 at 06:12 AM.
#156
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#157
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Nobody has mentioned the best part about the Grand Cherokee IMO. Its a man's truck.
It does work. It can tow stuff, it can go off road, it has a 300hp V6, 2 V8 options, and a diesel option, it can outrun your stupid Camaro in a straight line if you get the big engine. The engine sits North to South like a proper truck, none of this sissy engine sits east to west FWD drive based AWD system that is only designed for a snow storm like most SUV's in its price range..
It does work. It can tow stuff, it can go off road, it has a 300hp V6, 2 V8 options, and a diesel option, it can outrun your stupid Camaro in a straight line if you get the big engine. The engine sits North to South like a proper truck, none of this sissy engine sits east to west FWD drive based AWD system that is only designed for a snow storm like most SUV's in its price range..
I would say Toyota does body on frame vehicles very well for the Toyota and their Lexus brand. I think Toyota is having close to record sales with the current 4Runner and people seem to be content with paying the premium Toyota charges for their body on frame vehicles.
Resale value too!
#158
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#159
Lexus Fanatic
Now as for your Verano, Buick on their website uses the tagline "Eye popping luxury comes standard" yet then when you go into the actual Verano part it says "Upgrade your expectations" ....if you dive into the Verano options and such, a leather wrapped steering wheel is not standard, nor are leather/faux seats, power seats you have to pay extra for, and their is no standard touchscreen or back up camera. And mechanically a solid bean axle is a question mark. Is the Verano a luxury car? Is Buick a luxury brand? I am really not sure.
IMO, Buicks most appealing product is their Cascade convertible. IMO it by far has the best image for the brand.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 08-30-16 at 08:54 AM.
#160
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#161
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IMO, Buicks most appealing product is their Cascade convertible. IMO it by far has the best image for the brand.
Last edited by mmarshall; 08-30-16 at 04:21 PM.
#162
Lexus Champion
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Nor was I a fan of the much-hyped mid/late 80s Grand National, which I thought looked ugly inside and out with the all-black theme.
Yeah horrible build quality but the numbers that car posted 0-60 and quarter mile would embarrass quite a few of today's cars. And to boot, Pontiac then decided to take that very motor - the 3.8 turbo-intercooled mill, and put it inside one of the slickest domestic bodies of the era, and came up with the white 20th anniversary Turbo Trans Am.
For my imaginary collectors garage... one of each please parked next to each other as interesting footnotes in 80's history
#163
Chrysler can throw all the leather they want inside of the Jeep GC, that still doesn't mean the interior is of overall higher quality than a comparably-priced RX. Personally I can't understand why people spend so much on these Grand Cherokees. There's something about the Jeep name that Americans love despite their mediocrity and poor reliability. Similar to the love affair with mediocre Tahoes, Yukons, and Escalades.
For $50K a Q5 3.0 with luxury package (leather dash and doors) floats my boat a lot better than either of those two.
For $50K a Q5 3.0 with luxury package (leather dash and doors) floats my boat a lot better than either of those two.
#164
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by BrownPride
Chrysler can throw all the leather they want inside of the Jeep GC, that still doesn't mean the interior is of overall higher quality than a comparably-priced RX. Personally I can't understand why people spend so much on these Grand Cherokees. There's something about the Jeep name that Americans love despite their mediocrity and poor reliability. Similar to the love affair with mediocre Tahoes, Yukons, and Escalades.
For $50K a Q5 3.0 with luxury package (leather dash and doors) floats my boat a lot better than either of those two.
For $50K a Q5 3.0 with luxury package (leather dash and doors) floats my boat a lot better than either of those two.
In many ways the interior is better than the interior in my LS, so it certainly is compared to the RX.
Has nothing to do with the name, I'm clearly a big Lexus fan, the GC just won me over. Honestly, I would never even consider an RX or a GX compared to one.
The Q5 is a nice vehicle, I looked at them too, they're much smaller though. A Q7 I would probably take over a GC, but they're bigger and considerably more money.
#165
Lexus Fanatic
I loved, loved, loved the Grand National and the subsequent GN-X. It was Darth Vader's wild and crazy 80's rocket and it was all Buick, going back to their tradition of building outrageous power plants stuffed into mid-size rwd sedan bodies (specifically two door sedans).