W213 Mercedes-AMG E63 4MATIC+ and E63 S 4MATIC+ debuts – the most powerful E-Class
10-28-16, 03:07 PM
#17
10-28-16, 04:00 PM
#18
Lexus Test Driver
oh once you're out on the road and already up to speed the thing f***ing rips, but the first 15 mph arrive quite gently and gradually. using race start or brake torquing makes a huge improvement but considering how much power it has the initial takeoff is somewhat underwhelming. don't get me wrong it's a hell of a lot more usable than the E55, but that car sounded and felt like a hotrod, but the E63 feels like a fast E550. it's an amazing car, i don't wanna sound like i'm complaining or anything lol...
11-01-16, 09:01 PM
#19
Lexus Test Driver
this forum really doesn't seem to care about high performance cars, the new camry thread is killing this one haha
11-02-16, 10:48 PM
#20
^ I think there are a few reasons why that E55 "feels like a hotrod". #1 is the instant torque a supercharger gives you. #2 is that they didn't put any computer nannies in there to limit horsepower/cut fuel at WOT/0MPH, you get all that torque/power at idle, no computer interference provided you shut off traction control.
Also there is a pretty good community of enthusiasts around that 5.4 supercharged V8 engine, you can easily squeeze another 150hp out of it with a supercharger pulley swap, some air intake mods, a better exhaust and a reprogrammed ECU. Basically that 2003 Benz will run with the new AMG models if you have a couple thousand dollars to play around with. And what I really love about that engine vs the newer turbo motors, is the off idle torque and it just sounds glorious with that big V8 sound and supercharger whine. IMO that old engine from 15 years ago, with some aftermarket help is on par with what the factory is putting out today.
Also there is a pretty good community of enthusiasts around that 5.4 supercharged V8 engine, you can easily squeeze another 150hp out of it with a supercharger pulley swap, some air intake mods, a better exhaust and a reprogrammed ECU. Basically that 2003 Benz will run with the new AMG models if you have a couple thousand dollars to play around with. And what I really love about that engine vs the newer turbo motors, is the off idle torque and it just sounds glorious with that big V8 sound and supercharger whine. IMO that old engine from 15 years ago, with some aftermarket help is on par with what the factory is putting out today.
11-03-16, 07:42 AM
#22
The old motor is awesome, but it doesn't sound nearly as good as the bi-turbo motor. Also, the old motor suffered from heatsoaking issues and was mated to a very sloppy 5 speed automatic transmission. Also, that E Class generation was awful in the turns while the newer car is much better and feels a lot more nimble even though the weight is about the same.
11-03-16, 08:56 AM
#23
Lead Lap
The old motor is awesome, but it doesn't sound nearly as good as the bi-turbo motor. Also, the old motor suffered from heatsoaking issues and was mated to a very sloppy 5 speed automatic transmission. Also, that E Class generation was awful in the turns while the newer car is much better and feels a lot more nimble even though the weight is about the same.
11-03-16, 06:42 PM
#24
Lexus Test Driver
The old motor is awesome, but it doesn't sound nearly as good as the bi-turbo motor. Also, the old motor suffered from heatsoaking issues and was mated to a very sloppy 5 speed automatic transmission. Also, that E Class generation was awful in the turns while the newer car is much better and feels a lot more nimble even though the weight is about the same.
11-07-16, 10:42 AM
#25
how would you know what the biturbo engine sounds like, NOBODY DOES!!! you can't hear the engine at all because the exhaust is always loud, and the turbo whistle takes care of any noise you might've otherwise heard. that exhaust is also tuned and sculpted to sound exactly like that, and it does sound awesome. but to me knowing that it only sounds like that because they intentionally did so takes away some of the coolness. the E55 sounded awesome because that's just the noise an AMG hand-built 5.4 liter supercharged V8 makes.
11-07-16, 11:31 AM
#26
Lexus Test Driver
don't get me wrong, the newer car is SO much better than the E55... faster, more fuel efficient, more practical, much quicker shifting, more tuneable, safer, much more refined... but to me all of these things gave the E55 character. i always used to think clarkson was an idiot when he'd say a car was amazing but it lacked "soul" and therefore he didn't like it. after the E55, i completely understood what he meant. the car was quirky, things frequently broke and then magically started working again, and it was almost impossible to ever get the power down in 1st gear. this combined with the INSTANTANEOUS response of the supercharged engine just made the car more fun to me, plus it's a much prettier car.
11-08-16, 06:14 AM
#28
don't get me wrong, the newer car is SO much better than the E55... faster, more fuel efficient, more practical, much quicker shifting, more tuneable, safer, much more refined... but to me all of these things gave the E55 character. i always used to think clarkson was an idiot when he'd say a car was amazing but it lacked "soul" and therefore he didn't like it. after the E55, i completely understood what he meant. the car was quirky, things frequently broke and then magically started working again, and it was almost impossible to ever get the power down in 1st gear. this combined with the INSTANTANEOUS response of the supercharged engine just made the car more fun to me, plus it's a much prettier car.
Maybe you had better luck with your E55, but I was sick of all the electronics failing and parts breaking. I hope the newer models are more reliable so people consider buying them with 50-60k miles and keeping the cars for longer. I will most likely keep mine for as long as it doesn't have all the electronic failures my E55 had. They've already removed some of the problematic stuff from this car (SBC brake system, airmatic in the front) to help with that.
Yeah, the instantaneous torque was nice, but these cars are overall much faster... like you said. Downpipes and tune gets this car in the 10s very reliably while E55 requires pulleys, upgraded cooling, drag radial tires, etc. Supercharger is only good for that snappy power, but if you notice all the fast cars these days are turbocharged.
11-08-16, 01:25 PM
#29
Lexus Test Driver
There is no way the W211 E55 looks better than the W212 (face-lifted) E63. The W211 AMG models were very bland looking and very hard to differentiate between the standard models. The W212 E63 with the face-lift has the nice, angular head lights, the red brake calipers, different color wheel options, more aggressive all the way around, lower profile tires, spoiler, etc.
Maybe you had better luck with your E55, but I was sick of all the electronics failing and parts breaking. I hope the newer models are more reliable so people consider buying them with 50-60k miles and keeping the cars for longer. I will most likely keep mine for as long as it doesn't have all the electronic failures my E55 had. They've already removed some of the problematic stuff from this car (SBC brake system, airmatic in the front) to help with that.
Yeah, the instantaneous torque was nice, but these cars are overall much faster... like you said. Downpipes and tune gets this car in the 10s very reliably while E55 requires pulleys, upgraded cooling, drag radial tires, etc. Supercharger is only good for that snappy power, but if you notice all the fast cars these days are turbocharged.
Maybe you had better luck with your E55, but I was sick of all the electronics failing and parts breaking. I hope the newer models are more reliable so people consider buying them with 50-60k miles and keeping the cars for longer. I will most likely keep mine for as long as it doesn't have all the electronic failures my E55 had. They've already removed some of the problematic stuff from this car (SBC brake system, airmatic in the front) to help with that.
Yeah, the instantaneous torque was nice, but these cars are overall much faster... like you said. Downpipes and tune gets this car in the 10s very reliably while E55 requires pulleys, upgraded cooling, drag radial tires, etc. Supercharger is only good for that snappy power, but if you notice all the fast cars these days are turbocharged.
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11-08-16, 01:32 PM
#30
Lead Lap
it also had the dynamic seats for both driver and passenger, whereas the W212 only has it for the driver. don't know why they'd do that, someone's unsuspecting reaction to the seat when they first felt it was one of the best parts of the car haha... curiously the europeans still get a dynamic passenger seat but not here
