2018 Kia Stinger GT Unveiled: Wow!
09-27-17, 08:17 AM
#181
Definitely hefty. but relatively in line with the Lexus GS. GS 350 AWD is about 3,900 pounds. They should be pretty similar in size. ~190 inches in length, etc. 540i xDrive is 4,019 pounds. I know the Stinger is priced more with the IS and 3 Series, but just wanted to highlight the size is a little bit more comparable to the segment above.
09-27-17, 10:30 AM
#182
2018 Kia Stinger will start at $32,795
The 2018 Stinger proves that Kia can indeed make a credible performance sedan. And now we know exactly how much it will cost to park the rear-wheel-drive hatchback in your garage. The 2018 Kia Stinger starts at $32,795 with its standard 255-horsepower turbocharged four-cylinder engine. Opting for all-wheel drive, which is available across the board, bumps the price up by $2,200. A Stinger with the premium package that brings LED lights, a sunroof, power seats, navigation, and a nice sound system will set you back just under $38,000.
If you want a Stinger GT and its 3.3-liter twin-turbo 365-hp V6, expect a sticker of at least $39,895. A fully loaded Stinger GT2 will run $50,395. That sounds pricey, but only if you're basing your buying decision on the badge. We tested this performance-bred Kia on the world's best-known race circuit, the Nurburgring, and came away mightily impressed. The Stinger is aimed at premium brands like Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz, and with that in mind, it's priced appropriately. Only time will tell if the car-buying public at large agrees. We'll find out soon; the Stinger will hit dealerships within the next few weeks.
If you want a Stinger GT and its 3.3-liter twin-turbo 365-hp V6, expect a sticker of at least $39,895. A fully loaded Stinger GT2 will run $50,395. That sounds pricey, but only if you're basing your buying decision on the badge. We tested this performance-bred Kia on the world's best-known race circuit, the Nurburgring, and came away mightily impressed. The Stinger is aimed at premium brands like Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz, and with that in mind, it's priced appropriately. Only time will tell if the car-buying public at large agrees. We'll find out soon; the Stinger will hit dealerships within the next few weeks.
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09-27-17, 06:12 PM
#184
[T]hese are compact sport sedans and I'm judging them on performance and handling. In terms of performance and handling the Stinger comes up short compared to the Q50 Red Sport 400. Q50 Red Sport 400 is faster to 60 mph, pulls higher G's, quicker through the slalom and stops shorter.
https://jalopnik.com/the-hatch-excellent-2018-kia-stinger-will-start-at-32-1818811469
Last edited by BoDarville; 09-27-17 at 06:22 PM.
09-27-17, 06:49 PM
#185
if the pricing reported on Jalopnik & Car Connection is accurate, and the 3.3T starts at $39K, then as suspected the stinger competes in pricing with the Q50 Silver Sport, NOT the Red Sport. so if you judge compact sports sedans (if the stinger & q50 can even be called that) on performance and handling, how does the SS stack up against the stinger? provocative.....
https://jalopnik.com/the-hatch-excel...-32-1818811469
https://jalopnik.com/the-hatch-excel...-32-1818811469
09-27-17, 07:02 PM
#186
Optioned out, the Stinger GT will most likely sticker for $47-$50K.
The buyers needed to move those vehicles will not be happy with Kia’s dealership experience. They won’t let you test drive a Kia Soul until you tell them how much per month you’re willing to pay. I sure as hell don’t want some inexperienced 20 something year old salesman in a ill fitting suit asking me about how I plan on paying for a Kia.
The buyers needed to move those vehicles will not be happy with Kia’s dealership experience. They won’t let you test drive a Kia Soul until you tell them how much per month you’re willing to pay. I sure as hell don’t want some inexperienced 20 something year old salesman in a ill fitting suit asking me about how I plan on paying for a Kia.
09-27-17, 08:18 PM
#187
Why would the Stinger in highest trim (GT) compete with a middle trim Q50? That does not make any sense. The highest Q50 trim is the Red Sport 400 which costs several thousands of dollars less than a MB C43 but performs as well if not better than the C43. The same cannot be said for the Stinger GT. It may cost less than either the Q50 Red Sport 400 or the C43 but it cannot perform as well as those two cars. By the way, the SS blows the doors off the Stinger GT but considering the SS costs more that is to be expected no less.
09-27-17, 09:42 PM
#188
you are just being a contrarian, plain & simple. now you have shifted your argument to the highest optioned out trim GT2, whereas before you stated you measured sports sedans simply on handling & performance, not on luxury features. nice try on shifting your argument. the 3.3T can be had for $39K - there is no V6 q50 that sells for less, so it make perfect sense to compare performance to the Silver Sport Q50 that also starts at $39K, NOT the red sport that starts at $52K. Please explain how the 300 hp 3.0t Silver Sport Q50 blows the doors off the 365hp stinger? I fully expect you to side-step that explanation with the Chewbacca defense ("Look at the monkey! Look at the silly little monkey!")
I was arguing on performance and handling, nowhere did I bring cost into the argument. You might want to go back and look at what I wrote.I know how much you want to like/love the Stinger GT. The bottom line is, it's a slower, poorer handling "sport sedan" that can't even compete with the Japanese, let alone the Germans. Considering KIA is targetting potential BMW, MB and Audi shoppers with the Stinger I don't know who in their right mind would want to spend $33K+ on a KIA. Buyers shopping for a BMW, MB or Audi aren't looking to save a few pennies. And for that reason and that reason alone, KIA will be having a hard time snagging potential BMW, MB and Audi buyers. The BMW, MB and Audi showroom and service centre experience alone are worth the extra $$ you spend on the cars.
P.S. SS as in Chevrolet SS that someone in a previous reply mentioned. The SS will blow the doors off the Stinger GT for only a few grand more. Too bad 2017 is the last year for the SS. Competition is good.
09-28-17, 12:03 AM
#189
Same old same old stuff there. The goofy VW beetle roof line. If they would dare copy the SLS gulwing, or Challenger, or Camaro roof line they might have something.
Auto styling has gone down the sewer for many years now.
Auto styling has gone down the sewer for many years now.
09-28-17, 03:32 AM
#190
You do realize the Q50 has 3 engine trims (not including the hybrid), right? A 2L turbo 4, a 3L 300 hp turbo 6 and a 3L 400 hp turbo 6. The Stinger only has two engine trims: 2L turbo 4 and 3.3L turbo 6. The 3.3L turbo 6 is the Stinger's highest engine trim level. If I had to spell that out then I'm sorry you cannot be helped. I was arguing on performance and handling, nowhere did I bring cost into the argument. You might want to go back and look at what I wrote.
I was arguing on performance and handling, nowhere did I bring cost into the argument. You might want to go back and look at what I wrote.
09-28-17, 11:09 AM
#191
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Why would the Stinger in highest trim (GT) compete with a middle trim Q50? That does not make any sense. The highest Q50 trim is the Red Sport 400 which costs several thousands of dollars less than a MB C43 but performs as well if not better than the C43. The same cannot be said for the Stinger GT. It may cost less than either the Q50 Red Sport 400 or the C43 but it cannot perform as well as those two cars. By the way, the SS blows the doors off the Stinger GT but considering the SS costs more that is to be expected no less.
09-28-17, 02:57 PM
#192
actually you did bring cost into the argument, go back and look at what you wrote. you do realize the cadillac ats has 3 engine trims, right? A 2L turbo 4, a 335hp NA 6 and a 464hp turbo 6. The 3.6T is the ATS highest trim level. So if cost means nothing, then the highest trim ATS is a compact sports sedan that outperforms the red sport. you can not have your cake (saying cost means nothing) and eat it too (arbitrarily deciding which compact sports sedans compete with the Q50). If you persist on this fallacious reasoning, then you cannot be helped
09-28-17, 03:02 PM
#193
Why not? The Red Sport 400 accelerates just as fast. Feels just as grippy. The only drawback to the Red Sport 400 is the extra 150 lbs. over the C43.
09-28-17, 03:35 PM
#194
Just curious but better in what way , Interior yes but you said driving standards. What makes the C43 a better drivers car? Once you change the tires on the RS400 it becomes a different feeling car. Runflats are trash, the C43 has a better transmission but still gets out performed by the RS. Some AWD RS's have run 4.3 0-60 times stock.
09-28-17, 07:27 PM
#195
Care to quote me where I mentioned costs in my original argument? I would like to see that myself. You might want to look at the ATS-V's competitors. I'll give you a hint, they start with the letters: M, AMG and RS. The Red Sport 400 isn't a tracked focus car like the V, M, AMG or RS cars. I dare you to show me any reviews comparing the Red Sport 400 to V/M/AMG/RS cars.