2018 honda odyssey
01-10-17, 06:19 PM
#31
Lexus Fanatic
To the uneducated, actually, run flats can be a great marketing move. Especially with a minivan--the pitch to the soccer mom, who in all likelihood, can't or won't change a flat--"If you get a flat, you don't even have to stop. You don't have to change the tire. You aren't stuck on the side of the road waiting for roadside assistance to get there with a car full of kids. You can go on your way, and call the dealer when you get home." Does this tell the whole story? No--and Honda really blew it years ago with those Michelin run flats that only the dealer could service, and only if the dealer had the right equipment, which resulted in litigation. But again, from the salesman's half-truth pitch to get you into this car today, run flats can actually be an easy sell to the right "prey."
But hey--at least the Siena has run flats. I thought about looking at a Regal GS until I saw you only get an inflator kit. There are definitely people that find this out after the fact, the hard way.
But hey--at least the Siena has run flats. I thought about looking at a Regal GS until I saw you only get an inflator kit. There are definitely people that find this out after the fact, the hard way.
That's why I remarked (and still feel) that Honda could, if it had chosen to, one-upped the Sienna on the new Odyssey if they had offered AWD with conventional tires. But they chose not to. Time will tell if they were correct.
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01-10-17, 06:21 PM
#32
Lexus Fanatic
He's not disputing that. He's saying that it's a great marketing move, but the actual result is not always as the purchasers have been told.
01-10-17, 06:27 PM
#33
Lexus Fanatic
Yes, that part's true, but it shows that people need to know what they are buying.....too may don't. And, no....slick-talking salespeople don't always help either LOL.
01-10-17, 07:10 PM
#35
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by BrownPride
So ugly inside and out.
But it'll sell like mad b/c it'll be a solid and reliable minivan, and that's what counts.
But it'll sell like mad b/c it'll be a solid and reliable minivan, and that's what counts.
01-10-17, 07:30 PM
#37
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by GSteg
Disappointed it'll "only" have 280hp where as the 2017 Sienna will have 296hp. 
My only complaint is why Honda can't seem to hide the rear wiper like Toyota.
My only complaint is why Honda can't seem to hide the rear wiper like Toyota.
01-11-17, 07:43 AM
#39
Lexus Champion
That's all true if you are fairly close to a repair shop or tire shop, and can slowly limp to it, on the stiff run-flat sidewalls, at the low speeds and limited range (roughly 50 miles) required. But, have a tire failure with run-flats in the middle of Montana, or parts of West Texas, where even towns can be 100 miles apart, and that could be a different story. Not only that, but with run-flats, you put up with compromises in ride/handling, high replacement prices, (sometimes) a short tire-life, and limited availability in tire shops.
That's why I remarked (and still feel) that Honda could, if it had chosen to, one-upped the Sienna on the new Odyssey if they had offered AWD with conventional tires. But they chose not to. Time will tell if they were correct.
That's why I remarked (and still feel) that Honda could, if it had chosen to, one-upped the Sienna on the new Odyssey if they had offered AWD with conventional tires. But they chose not to. Time will tell if they were correct.
People need to know--but most people don't know, and won't research it. It's just a fact of life.
01-11-17, 10:06 AM
#40
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had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.but hey, keep believing CR.
My only quip with Honda lately is the gouging that dealers do on the new models.
Obviously Honda has done some tremendous engineering work along with R&D to come out with the new Civic, Pilot, Ridgeline and Odyssey as "all-new" models. During early 2016, all Honda dealers in the Dallas area were touting MSRP +$2k-$4k in "accessories" and claiming they can't reduce the price because they were selling out of those artificially-high-priced models. A $43k Touring model my wife looked at was selling for $50k after $7k in additional rims/protection/etc. that the dealer would not remove. Same with the Ridgeline, and I hope they don't do the same with the Odyssey (smaller target demographic). All in all, it was just a horrendous shopping experience across most of the Honda dealers I've come across the past 18 months with these new vehicles. The new CRV is going to be launched and I figure these Honda dealers will live for the short-time-frame where they can gouge buyers instead of selling "at invoice".
/end rant on dealership experience
Obviously Honda has done some tremendous engineering work along with R&D to come out with the new Civic, Pilot, Ridgeline and Odyssey as "all-new" models. During early 2016, all Honda dealers in the Dallas area were touting MSRP +$2k-$4k in "accessories" and claiming they can't reduce the price because they were selling out of those artificially-high-priced models. A $43k Touring model my wife looked at was selling for $50k after $7k in additional rims/protection/etc. that the dealer would not remove. Same with the Ridgeline, and I hope they don't do the same with the Odyssey (smaller target demographic). All in all, it was just a horrendous shopping experience across most of the Honda dealers I've come across the past 18 months with these new vehicles. The new CRV is going to be launched and I figure these Honda dealers will live for the short-time-frame where they can gouge buyers instead of selling "at invoice".
/end rant on dealership experience
i almost bought a toyota last go around (highlander) and told them point blank i'm not paying anything for that stuff since i don't want any of it.
01-11-17, 11:31 AM
#41
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enjoy the sweeping statements. must be why FCA sold over 200,000 jeep grand cherokees last year had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.
but hey, keep believing CR.
had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.but hey, keep believing CR.
Sales means nothing. People buy unreliable cars all the time. How do you think the big Euro companies stay afloat?
For the first two years, even the most unreliable cars will be trouble-free. As long as they make it thru the lease period, everyone is happy.Those new Grand Cherokees are nice, tho! Surely helps with sales. The Rams, too. Real nice.
As for this new Odyssey, Honda needs to ease up on the design cues. The cockpit is SO busy and overstyled. The exterior has creases and curves all over. Remove half of them and it should be good. Shame the shifter is gone as well. I question the safety of this system. The screen looks like Best Buy installed it.
The seats look comfy tho! And the front looks good.
It should prove to be very reliable and surely will sell many.
01-11-17, 11:32 AM
#42
Lexus Fanatic
enjoy the sweeping statements. must be why FCA sold over 200,000 jeep grand cherokees last year had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.
but hey, keep believing CR.
had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.but hey, keep believing CR.
01-11-17, 12:25 PM
#43
Lexus Test Driver
enjoy the sweeping statements. must be why FCA sold over 200,000 jeep grand cherokees last year had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.
but hey, keep believing CR.
coudn't agree more, and local toyota dealer here does the same nonsense with 'value package' added to every model on the lot for thousands. i almost bought a toyota last go around (highlander) and told them point blank i'm not paying anything for that stuff since i don't want any of it.
had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.but hey, keep believing CR.
coudn't agree more, and local toyota dealer here does the same nonsense with 'value package' added to every model on the lot for thousands.
i almost bought a toyota last go around (highlander) and told them point blank i'm not paying anything for that stuff since i don't want any of it.
01-11-17, 04:27 PM
#44
Lexus Champion
enjoy the sweeping statements. must be why FCA sold over 200,000 jeep grand cherokees last year had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.
but hey, keep believing CR.
had mine two years, no issues. relative has had a town and country minivan probably 5-6 years in harsh NE winters and driven a TON of miles, and NO issues.but hey, keep believing CR.
FCA surely puts out a more reliable product than 10 years ago, but c'mon now. You've had a great experience--1 out of hundreds of thousands.
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